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Why Did YOU Stay Away?
jgar:
Actually I still do with some of them, that?s how I found out about this Web site. With time people go their own ways and I lost touch. Some of the Seed people I still talk to are now on both sides of this (for lack of a better word ?argument?) and with time I also changed but the core of what I learned at the Seed grew and as I grew in strength and once I became more certain in who I was and who I wanted to be my independence grew.
I have posted here on many occasions talking about the good and the bad about the Seed.
One thing I was against was how certain people at the Seed or in other life situations such as religious organizations or certain groups wanted me to see the world in a very clear cut black or white perceptive and only their way would be tolerated and accepted. At this point in my life I refuse to be that regimented, controlled or bullied into a certain way of acting or thinking. I find myself constantly questioning my beliefs and opinions and in that same spirit in which I have criticized some of the Seeds short comings I also give the Seed validity and I give due credit to the Seed for it?s positive attributes I was able to take from there.
I do not see the Seed as the absolute evil so many others on this site seam to take and I have found that in life there are much more grey areas than there are black and white situations. The point of my last post was to emphasize the emotional tie I had to the Seed and that tie did not come from a victim abuser relationship but born out of kindness and love.
I will not post or talk here about psychological theories or books or studies and how they can relate to the Seed, I will only talk about my own observations or experiences that I had during my time there and this is where I formulate my thoughts on this matter.
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jgar:
One more thing Ginger
:eek: :eek: One thing that I will agree with you 100 % is how a whole Drug rehabilitation industry was born out of the available insurance money set aside for private drug treatment. How did all these 28 day programs for $ 30,000.00 a shot suddenly pop up everywhere? This I view as both abusive and criminal.
[ This Message was edited by: jgar on 2005-09-29 15:45 ]
Antigen:
No, Jgar, I'm not talking about former seedlings keeping in touch w/ each other. I'm talking about former seedlings keeping in touch w/ current ones. Are you saying you did that? That you left, quit going to raps, but still socialized w/ people who stayed?
It's an incredible con job when you think of it, to believe something now in exchange for life after death. Even corporations with all their reward systems don't try to make it posthumous.
--Gloria Steinam, women's rights activist
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jgar:
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No, Jgar, I'm not talking about former seedlings keeping in touch w/ each other. I'm talking about former seedlings keeping in touch w/ current ones. Are you saying you did that? That you left, quit going to raps, but still socialized w/ people who stayed?
Hey Ginger to answer your question yes and no. When I first left I called the Seed about once every 2 weeks or so and about once a month I would visit and catch a rap session. I found that this began to create internal conflicts with me and it became more apparent what a crutch the Seed had become to me. As I separated myself farther from the group and I tried to establish my independence the more infrequent my visits became and the less contact I had with the people still there until, I never returned again. Once I realized that I needed to go my own way and cut my dependence I very rarely made contact. About 10 years later when a cousin of mine was on the program he informed me that staff extended an invitation to me to go to a Seed reunion and I went. During than I reestablished some ties with people still part of the Seed this was around 2002. After that the Seed closed it?s doors and I kept certain friends from the Seed in which I still have contact with and consider some of my closest freinds.
Jupiter Survivor:
"One thing that I will agree with you 100 % is how a whole Drug rehabilitation industry was born out of the available insurance money set aside for private drug treatment. How did all these 28 day programs for $ 30,000.00 a shot suddenly pop up everywhere? This I view as both abusive and criminal."
I completely agree with you. The rage now and for the past 15 or so years is the mental health field. Slap your kid, who is not behaving in a adolescent behavioral institute and presto chango....4-6 weeks they are cured. Of course, that time frame is always dictated by how long and how much the insurance company will pay. You would not believe the kids and parents I deal with that have committed their children, basically good kids that have just had no boundaries or guidelines set by their parents. It is absolutely heartbreaking.
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