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especially for Marshall, Greg,
GregFL:
It didn't work for you either John. They kicked you out and wouldn't even let you back in the door or even speak to you. You might as well have been one of those "druggie losers' you speak of as far as the seed was concerned.
Marc nor me has indicated we have "problems" now in our lives because of anything you did. You DO NOT HAVE THAT POWER John, nor is your attempt to shine the light away from the facts onto us working here.
We are talking about events that occured 30 Years ago, NOT ABOUT OUR LIVES TODAY.
It is you that needs a reality slap straight across the cheek.
Your attempts at belittling others in order to raise yourself up on a pedestal here has not gone unnoticed, nor is it working.
Why don't you just go ahead and apologize for the things you did back then and get it over with?
GregFL:
What a freaken joke. John U Posts a "come down on ya" in all caps and suggests he "isnt letting us off the hook".
Shove it up yur arse John. You are powerless here. I am not 14 years old against your 24 years anymore.
Get it?
Antigen:
--- Quote ---On 2005-09-19 12:50:00, Anonymous wrote:
Pathetic, tragic stories of other people and then you ask what's the point? Me and hundreds of others would be those people if not for
The Seed! How hard is that to grasp?
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How hard? Impossible for anyone who dares question and investigate the veracity of the statement rather than just accept it on faith.
You're the one who's hostile, John. And you demostrate so well the problem that occures w/ this kind of faith based "reasoning". Even after all these years, you still get hostile over objective discussion about the cult? I sure hope you're not in a position of authority over anyone else, especially as regards substance use or abuse. That kind of thinking can be very dangerous.
And that's the only part of my life that is still messed up or complicated as a result of this cult. Regardless of the very minor disagreemensts (ego issues?) that cause the Straight faction to split from the mother church, this same philosophy prpagated by the same based methods has resulted in these same lunatics weilding a lot of power in public policy. Anybody who thought they were dangerous enough w/ control over a warehouse full of teenagers for a year or two ought to understand that these same crazy bastards now weild an astounding amount of influence in law enforcement, military, education, professional certification and licensing, public spending, public "science", etc.
Here's a current news item out of Salon that illustrates my point.
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... forum=32&0
So, according to your logical algorythym, is Maia a Seed fuckup too? How else could she possibly arrive at her critical notions about these philisophical allies of yours except by way of having failed the Seed?
"The Program" and two years will get you a vastly improved kid in *EXACTLY* the same way that "The Program" and four bucks will get you a cup of espresso at Starbucks.
Timoclea
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Stripe:
You guys know this: You will never get an apology from this one who calls himself John Underwood.
An apology would require acknowledging a wrong-doing. Investigation of wrong-doing would require a moral inventory of a proportions of which I don't think the seed or it's supporters would be capable of performing. It's much more than answering a series of structured questions designed to lead to only one approved conclusion.
For some reason, apology is just not in the lexicon of seedtalk. I guess it's taken as a sign of weakness by Seedlings. It is, afterall, much easier to refuse to acknowledge or discuss such unpleasantness than admit a wrong.
I challenge you this, John Underwood: Look at your life and tell me why are all those whom you have identified in such states of misfortune? What is it about YOU that brings, swirls, and holds all of this misfortune, sadness, death and confusion to you and the lives of those you touch? That's where you need to look.
You can yell at me in big letters all day long, but the bottom line is this: what you put out there is exactly what you will get back. It's no mystery.
[ This Message was edited by: Stripe on 2005-09-19 14:32 ]
Thom:
Hi John,
I pop in here occasionally when one of my 'watched topics' catches my attention, or to say hi to my Sister, Ginger. Good to hear from you and that you are enjoying life. You are deserving of it. I am saddened to hear of the tragic loss of so many of your friends. I have a list not quite so long, but every bit as sobering. I know people who stopped using drugs simply out of maturity (blessed), but not many. Having left Florida in '83, I have lost track of many of the people I grew up with. Among my 5 siblings and me, all have used, 4 were Seed attendees, (5 if you count open meetings, making sandwiches and eating at Denny?s.)
The oldest didn't use until college, no Seed, and is AA sober for about 16 years now, and having a great life. Politically liberal, but nobody is perfect :grin: (I don't think there is really a category like that for members of this cult. Seems to be either never used again, no thanks to Seed, or never had a problem until Seed involvement, Seed ruined my life, yadda, yadda, yadda. I am helped by prescribed anti-depressant, and am therefore considered a drug abuser by Staff here)
I am deeply grateful to, and greatly respect you and Art and all involved for presenting the option of a good life. Wish I had stayed straight; blame no one for my decision not to, very grateful for another chance.
Next Sister was Junior Staff for a bit, left for reasons unknown to me, smoked a bit for a while, now a social drinker, happy, wonderful person.
Ginger is my baby Sister. Her story is all over this site, no need for me to add anything. Anything I say can and will be used against me.
Anyway, great to hear from you. You still have your leadership skills. I see a small change in tone since you started posting. Glad you are here.
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