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marcwordsmith:
I hate to spoil the politeness party here, but John, every time you post, you just reveal yourself to be a bigger jackass.

What exactly is your point? All these people who ended so badly, and they weren't using drugs yet at 15 . . . is this some kind of evidence that all 15 year old non-Seedlings were bound for Hell? I mean, what on earth are you suggesting?

As a 40-something baby boomer, NEARLY EVERY PERSON I'VE EVER MET IN MY LIFE did some drugs in their teens. Furthermore, everyone I knew who was in the Seed at the same time I was returned to using drugs within a year or two.

I think it is dishonorable and pathetic to trot out the tragic stories of people whom you've known, in an attempt to use those stories as some sort of justification for the Seed, and for your own role in the Seed. Just how much are you willing to contort yourself, how many rationalizations are you going to reach for, before you simply admit that you fucked up? Asshole.

GregFL:
Damn John It seems you associated with some real losers.

 :grin:

But in all seriousness, I got in contact with my pre seed peer group a couple years ago. Not all faired so well..., one of them was a politician and another gawd forbid a sheriff!  

Still another, Dale Long, died of a drug overdose. That is about all I know of my old "druggie" friends.

My seed friends.  FUCK, now contained in here is a bunch of people that really didn't make it.

Lets start with big Frank, died of an overdose just a couple years ago...got the "spanking your bare ass therapy" from his oldcomer. How about Kienzle's brother, died recently  preported as an addict and the the seedling part of the family didn't even have the stones or common decency to attend the funeral.

Bennett Beverly...jumped off the skyway after "sucessfully" completing the program. cris Kelly, crashed his motorcycle into a tree in a suspicious one vehicle accident after graduating.  Dave Leverone..filled up a needle with Heroin and Speed and mainlined himself to death right in front of his wife and kid..another successfull seed graduate.

There is at least two seed graduates sitting on florida's death row as we wax philisophically back and forth.

I myself used in a much more destructive manner, angry at the world and totally rejecting authority...again after sucessfully graduating the seed.  In fact, almost everyone I knew that graduated the seed started drinking, smoking pot or worse after the lockup with Art, Libby and the rest of you egomaniacs.

FUCK, I don't even want to play this silly game any more, it makes me sick.

 John, you got reality problems and an ego that just frankly gets in the way of any real discussion.

The things you did at the seed, Mr John Underwood, cannot be excused by using this straw man argument.  Children were hurt there, and I was one of them, and you were one of the perpetrators.

Any questions?

GregFL:
By the way John, I forgive you for everything you did back then.

Anonymous:
Pathetic, tragic stories of other people and then you ask what's the point? Me and hundreds of others would be those people if not for
The Seed! How hard is that to grasp?
Greg, Marc, because you two obviously don't give a rat's ass about anybody other than yourselves which you make blantantly apparent in every myopic, callous, self-serving post, doesn't mean others of us didn't care. Whining, crying, self-important, haters that still want to point the finger at anybody but themselves for the problems in their lives is who you are. Lie, deny, spout  philosophy 'til hell freezes over, it doesn't change a thing. THE SEED WORKED, BUT IT DIDN'T WORK FOR YOU, AND THAT'S THE PROBLEM, AND THAT'S THE SOURCE OF YOUR HOSTILITY, PERIOD! NEITHER OF YOU HAVE THE INTEGRITY OR HONESTY TO JUST SAY IT. MOST LOVED IT AND THAT PISSES YOU OFF. NO MORE TIME FOR ADULTS THAT STILL NEED THEIR DIAPERS CHANGED. ALL OF THIS IS CRYSTAL CLEAR TO ANYONE WITH EVEN A TINY PORTION OF A BRAIN THAT READS WHAT YOU WRITE.
John U
To be continued...You really don't believe that I have any intention of letting either of you off the hook this easy I hope!

marcwordsmith:
Greg, it looks like the nonentities are after us again.

Strong words from "Anonymous" always crack me up. Glad the Seed taught you courage of your convictions there, Anon.

Or was "John U." a signature above? Hmm. Something fishy going on . . .

John, Anon, whoever you are/were, I do want to say that I'm glad the Seed worked to relieve you of your own hostility. Clearly you are a paragon of equanimity today.

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