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simple response to John Underwood
Antigen:
Wow, I do wonder what kind of PM's John's getting. I haven't sent any. And I seriously doubt anyone's sent any poison pen type PMs. Here's what I wonder; I wonder if my brother's all chummy w/ Lauderdale and John? I wonder if they PM each other just to talk shit about me? Not that I'm convinced of it. Just that I wonder; it wouldn't be out of line at all w/ my experience w/ Seedlings in general and my own brother specifically.
The clearest way into the Universe is through a forest wilderness.
-- John Muir
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Ft. Lauderdale:
Antigen,
You are getting a little paranoid. I emailed your brother back 2 times months ago, when he emailed me. He said nothing bad about you. He was more interested in what was going on now with me ect. I actually PMed JU for the first time yesterday. I must admit I said you were getting under my skin and that was it. The world does not evolve around you, or my world anyway.
You and I have had totally different experiences with the Seed. You as a small child and me as a teenager and adult.
I did think that you thought all kind of wierd shit was probably taking place, guess what its not. Have some tea or whatever you use to calm down. No one is ganging up against you. This site is still yours. All yours. I really would try to reconcile but we have totally diffrent views and thats never going to change. So I guess I just have nothing else to say. I admit I have been a bit childlike in some responces, but so have you. So..... I bid thee well. :nworthy:
JaLong:
Marc, I don't have sympathy for John, I'd call it empathy. John was not the only staff member in the seed. I don't agree with you when you said,"he perpetrated systematic physhologial abuse." Sure I felt I was emotionally abused in the seed, but to blame it on John is going a little too far. Come on now, it was 1973 when my parents threw me in there. I was abusive to my parents and sisters, but mainly myself. No, I didn't have full awareness of that at the time, and not even during the 10 months I was in the seed. Yet, yrs later I could sit back and pick what I wanted to use, and throw the rest away. But guess what Marc? It was with the help of a counslor. I needed help when I got out of there, yet I had made some very close friends back then.I met my best friend when she got out and we have been friends now for 32yrs. To me that is a rarity, and a true blessing. With the help of this forum, I have been re-united with quite a few friends from back in the days. It feels as if these past 32 yrs did not come between people I learned to truely love for the first time in my life.
When I said "grow up", I was speaking to some people who CHOOSE to spew venom at each other. The way I see it is this. If people who were in the seed are still messed up and angry, they need some help. Anger only hurts the one who carrries it in their heart, not the people they are angry with. Know what I'm saying? I know some people are still pretty messed up. I can't even mention the seed without my sister telling me she doesn't want to talk about it. She took only 1 hit off a joint when she was 14, but my parents were told, if she doesn't come in I cannot go home. Now is that a non-founded threat or what? I shotgunned her with more weed, as I locked her in the bathroom, then she ever smoked. She hated the stuff.
So, Marc, I will be honest with you and I don't care what anyone else here or anywhere thinks about what I'm going to say. In 1979, 6 yrs after the seed, I accepted Jesus Christ into my life. Then and only then was I able to let go and let God. My faith has helped me get through a divorce from a cheating husband, being homeless 3 times with a month old baby and a newborn, going to college(@ 30) to get my RN, while raising two small children, and getting hurt at work, which caused me to have 11 surgeries, and being disabled since 1991, and a heart attack on top of that in 2001. So life isn't always a bed of roses, but it can still be beautiful with a positive attitude, and beliving in "Someone greater then myself Who has restored me to sanity". So, that's my story Marc. I have some fond memories of the seed, thanks to Susie Conners who took me under her wing at my old timers house where female staff lived. But I also had some horrid times in there. We agree on that don't we? Take care.
Antigen:
--- Quote ---On 2005-09-03 11:47:00, JaLong wrote:
If people who were in the seed are still messed up and angry, they need some help. Anger only hurts the one who carrries it in their heart, not the people they are angry with.
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Is that also true of people who are angry about Halliburton's war in Iraq? People who, having researched the facts, are angry about Vietnam? Smedly Buttler, who was quite miffed over the boondogles of WWII?
Do you really think there's no such thing as justified anger? Sometimes, blithe acceptance is the most preverse response of all.
Let me go further. We (the uncaring, unknowing tax payors) have bombed half the planet over the past 50 years, including 40 years or more pounding on those tough mother fuckers at Vieques. We're currently funding the areal spraying of reformulated Agent Orange (Monsanto's Roundup w/ an added isotope to prolong exposure) of areas of So. America that most of us will never see before they're destroyed. This causes cancer and birth defects in the native and refugee population. And, we're told, it's all worth the effort to erradicate a few slect species of God's green herbs.
Is there a Christian on this planet who understands that and thinks it's just fine? No? Then get ahold of Betty Sembler, the proud and sanctimonious professional Seed mother, and give her a piece of your mind, damn it! It's not the Colombian children's fault you can't keep the coke out of your pretty daughter's nose, damn it! Oh, don't care about brown ppl who have oil under them? Fine. How much more of this bullshit do you think these people will take before they quit waiting for American hostages to come to them and start striking US targets? Would that make it worth it to you?
Does it not make you angry that the people ordering these mass exterminations are safe and sound while your own dear children are not? Well, it pisses me off! And I think that's about the only sane response there is.
Who would believe that a democratic government would pursue for eight decades a failed policy that produced tens of millions of victims and trillions of dollars of illicit profits for drug dealers, cost taxpayers hundreds of billions of dollars, increased crime and destroyed inner cities, fostered widespread corruption and violations of human rights - and all with no success in achieving the stated and unattainable objective of a drug free America?
--Milton Friedman, winner of 1976 Nobel Memorial Prize for economic science
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Ginger Warbis ~ Antigen
Drug war POW
Seed Chicklett `71 - `80
Straight, Sarasota
10/80 - 10/82
Apostate 10/82 -
Anonymity Anonymous
JaLong:
My, my Ginger,
Yes, there is a thing such as justifiable anger. And I WILL NOT get into a disagreement with you. The world and it's people are going to hell in breadbasket for all the crap that is going on right now. Yes, I agree We, the "great united states of america" don't belong in Irag, or anywhere else as far as I am concerned. Heck, the government does not even help the people right here, such as those who are suffering from Francine, including one of our own, Chris Lewis who lost his home. Should I be angry at the Gov. for making my brother-in -law take little white pills, be on the front line during Desert Storm, and is now sick? Should I feel anger about the genocide in Sudan, where we just sit and let it happen? Sure I feel some anger Ginger, but tell me, is that going to change a darn thing? NOT! If you choose to walk around feeling all of this anger about the state of the world, let me ask you something? Are you in Sudan being a shield to protect just one child? Are you in Irag being a shield for a child there, or have a pen pal you can write to and lift up one soliders day? I have 3. Are you in New Orleans helping people? Rant and rave and be angry all you want Ginger, but who is that going to help? Is it giving you peace Ginger?
I do what I can right here in my own backyard. Raising my children(and no, my pretty 3 daughters and son have not snorted powder up their noses). I am also an AIDS buddy, and have two buddies I see at least twice a week because their families have abandoned them. I have been a team parent for my daughter's softball team for 4 yrs, and I volunteer at the free Clinic here in downtown St. Pete. I'll say one more thing Ginger. If I didn't have children at home that I need to raise, believe you me, I'd be at the Red Cross being trained, using my RN liscence, to help at the triage places for our own poor, hungry, homless, and desolete Americans affected by Francine. So, my dear Ginger, take all of that anger you have, and find somewhere where you can make a difference. People need your help.
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