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simple response to John Underwood

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JaLong:
Marc...., I have learned that "getting out of your head" is just that. There are times still I find myself dwelling on something and not solving the problem. It's the same as "stop running Sh** on your head". The seed wanted us to think the same as everyone else, but we are grown now and hopefully think for ourselves. Sitting and stewing about something is just a waste of time. Know what I'm saying?? I'm glad you're here, but give John a break. I think it took him a lot of thinking before he ever wrote on this site. Can you imagine the private messages he must get, full of anger and wrath? I know he doesn't take it personally, yet it is still un-called for. We all had a rough time in the seed, but I'll say for myself, I am still drug and alchol free. Thank God!! I think John was telling others to forgive the past and the seed. That is what it is-- The past. Yes, we are shaped by our past, YET GOOD GOD people. Grow up!

marcwordsmith:
Hi JaLong. Yeah, I know what you mean about stewing on things in an unproductive way, or obsessing about past hurts. I suppose you could call that "getting into your head" though I've never heard that expression since the Seed (other than in the sense of "they are trying to get into your head with their commercials" etc.). But since we agree that the term was used abusively in the Seed--i.e. to keep us from thinking for ourselves--where is the disagreement here?

Perhaps it is a good idea to forgive the Seed and let go the past; however, I don't think Mr. Underwood is in a position to tell anybody what they should do in this regard.

I also don't think I've been hard on him at all. I've been asking for some answers, and I feel pretty happy with what I've gotten so far. (Not answers exactly, but a very revealing response!)

Really, JaLong, why such sympathy for John Underwood? He perpetrated systematic psychological and physical abuse on teenagers, for many years. He was, in a very real sense, a career criminal. Nothing he is "suffering" from anyone's anger toward him on this website holds a candle to the abuse he dished out. I don't need to see him suffer, but frankly my sympathy gravitates more to some of the people here who've been hurt worse than I have by the Seed, or by Straight, or by some combination of circumstances in which the Seed played a major part.

If it makes you feel good to put a soft spot in your heart for Seed staff, I think that's fine. But are you being equally forebearing to your brothers and sisters who still feel unfinished and traumatized and are still smarting? I think telling people to "grow up" is more than a little condescending, my friend. And honestly, I don't think it works to tell people that.

I'm glad you feel you can put the Seed behind you with no rancor. But everyone is different. Just because you can do that doesn't mean that everyone else also can, or should. Peace. And thanks for your respectful challenge.

marcwordsmith:
And by the way, JaLong, good for you for staying straight and sober and healthy. I respectfully acknowledge that you derived value from the Seed, if you say so.

rjfro22:
Ft Lauderdale,
                        I can see why you would be fed up with this site,  I really enjoyed it for awhile  , people expressing there feelings about the Seed the good and bad. Some people are trying to make it far more then it was,  give me a break are these people paranoid schizo,  the seed was very simple and everybody in it were damn young , and the idea was we couldn't get over on each other. because we been there done that.
Yes some people should not of been there, but people of the time believed that pot led to smack.

Please don't stop posting, I really enjoy what you have to say and yes you have a great sense of humour and I am surprised some people don't see it.   If this site keeps going in this direction, they will alienate alot of us.
 :cry2:  :cry2:  :cry2:

GregFL:
I would love to see Ft Laud continue posting, but please, the attacks against Ginger are juvenile and based soley on a difference of opinion, not on anything real.

Marc..welcome Back!

John......where you be?

 :grin:

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