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simple response to John Underwood
marcwordsmith:
Hey JaLong
I'm going to respond to your second to last post above, in which you addressed me.
First of all, yes of course you're right--I cannot and do not blame the whole phenomenon of The Seed on John Underwood; he was just one guy.
More importantly though, I want to say I admire that when you knew you needed help in your life, you went and found the help you needed, whether it was seeing a counselor, or letting Jesus into your heart. You've had a tough road, and I respect your will and your determination to overcome terrible pain and huge challenges. I wish you health and peace, and I wish the same for your kids, who are lucky to have a mom with such an inspiring tenacious spirit.
I guess I also have to say something about your more recent post. It is highly commendable that you devote so much of your time and energy to helping others, but must you "come down" on Ginger for what you presume she doesn't do? You chided me for being unkind to John Underwood. I must ask you again to consider that many, perhaps most, of the people on this website are in pain, and we're all doing the best we can, and there is no point in comparing ourselves to others.
Sometimes I think this whole life is nothing but a healing journey. We're all looking for ways to heal our own pain, the pain of others, and our shared pain. You've done very well and you've been very brave. But please don't wield your life like a weapon, so that others should feel inadequate. Peace.
Anonymous:
At least someone is doing something!!!!
Yep its Lybbi...
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Along the Gulf Coast
Trying to Search, Hoping to Rescue
Post-Katrina Conditions Are Overwhelming Even to Veteran FEMA Teams
By Sylvia Moreno
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, September 1, 2005; Page A12
LONG BEACH, Miss., Aug. 31 -- By mid-afternoon Wednesday, medical specialist Lt. Jose Arias walked into the rubble that was once this seaside community's old-money neighborhood and declared: "Worse than Andrew."
Arias, a paramedic in the Miami-Dade County fire department, should know. He is part of the Federal Emergency Management Agency's Florida Task Force 2 -- a team of search-and-rescue veterans of every powerful hurricane to hit the Southeast in recent memory. Andrew, Charley, Frances, Ivan and now Katrina: The team has worked them all.
Reporter's Query: Tell Us Your Story
The Washington Post and washingtonpost.com want to hear your stories about Hurricane Katrina.
Special Report -- In Katrina's Wake
Katrina Q& A: Cancellation Policies, Refunds and More
Chief Justice William H. Rehnquist Dies
In Texas:240,000 Evacuees Strain Capacity
What Went Wrong:Storm Exposed Disarray at the Top
Many Evacuated, but Thousands Still Waiting
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"Yeah, worse," echoed Lybbi Kienzle, the owner and handler of one of the most important members of the team: Josh, a Labrador-and-golden-retriever mix federally certified in search-and-rescue. "We just went through Katrina ourselves [in Florida], and we just knew they were going to get killed."
Divided into five squads, Florida Task Force 2 spent its first day along Mississippi's Gulf Coast performing its most important task: looking for trapped victims of Hurricane Katrina. Braving a heat index of 100 and carrying 40 pounds of rescue and survival gear on their backs, they located one cadaver -- a man buried neck-deep in rubble in Gulfport -- and capped about a dozen leaking natural gas lines. They walked door to door along a 63-block area just west of downtown Gulfport to check for trapped people and animals, and responded to emergency calls from local authorities.
"We're a small department," said Mike Brown, deputy chief of the Long Beach Fire Department. "It looks good when these guys walk in."
"This place," Brown paused for a moment as his eyes teared up and his voice caught, "has been devastated."
By Wednesday, 11 FEMA teams had responded to Mississippi's devastated Gulf Coast to assist local officials. Seven teams had traveled to Louisiana.
GregFL:
Good Stuff Libbi!
When you done doing this most excellent important work, come visit us here some more on the forum...
:grin:
Antigen:
JaLong, there's a stark difference between what the Arab government is doing to the Sudanese natives and what AUC is doing to Colombian natives. In sudan, it's the Arabs and so it's up to the House of Saud to make it stop, though I do wish more Americans would take the time to understand how our alliance w/ the House of Saud contributes to their acquiring and maintaining the power to do what they're doing in places like Sudan.
In Colombia, AUC is the paramilitary death squad that started out w/ US funding, training and, by some credible accounts, hands on, warm American bodies and blazing guns. In those days, they called themselves Los Pepes and their only target was Pablo Escobar. W/ Pablo gone and his enterprise divided among his enemies, Los Pepes has grown, continues to receive US support, funding and cart blanch to go after FARC. It's well known that, just like FARC, AUC also relies heavily on illicit drug profits to fund their never ending civil war.
And they justify the funding and support in the name of the drug war. That's the US apologia for our ongoing involvement in So. America's dirty politics; we have to keep on killing and poisoning brown ppl in So. America for as long as it takes before rich white American girls lose interest in coke.
Just imagine if The Seed had effective policy and funding control of US forces. That's pretty much what's going on. It's pure hysteria. But, for some damned reason, the mainstream media and man on the street just doesn't question it.
And, here's the sticky part, if you support or neglect to call out DFAF and DPNA there in St. Pete, you're part of the problem. You know, from firsthand experience, how dangerously self deluded these people are. And you know very well that they're making public policy based on Program dogma and funded by billions in federal, state and local taxes. And, not only do you go along and continue to give them your support, but you have the self rightious audacity to scold me like a little child for saying something about it? Who the hell do you think you are, anyway?
But I suppose it just feels so good to do "something" and pretend that makes it all ok.
The introduction of a Creator has done our independence no good.
--Gore Vidal, author
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Ginger Warbis ~ Antigen
Drug war POW
Seed Chicklett `71 - `80
Straight, Sarasota
10/80 - 10/82
Apostate 10/82 -
Anonymity Anonymous
JaLong:
Marc,Thank you for your kind and gentle words. I really appreciate them. I know that a lot of people are still tramatized by the seed, and straight. I do feel for all. I am by no means standing in judgement of anyone here or on the outside. That is not who I am, and it is not my job to do so. I was not rebuking Ginger, just posing some questions to her. I was not attacking her. I'm not even sure I know her. I was stating some facts about our worlds messes, as Ginger always does, and my main question was asking what does anger solve? Nothing in my book. I like the saying, "you can get more from honey, then vinegar." I know for myself, if I remained angry at all the injustices done to me, alng with all of theinjustices in the world, I would not grow. I would be stagnant. I like to challenge myself, even if it causes me physical pain, or exhaustion. I learned in AA, when I use to go with my old boyfriend who just died in Feb, that "we are to share our experience, strength, and hope with each other." And "to reach out to those still suffering." That is why I like this forum, and that is why I share here. I am not perfect, nor do I claim to be. I use to be just a survior,(and always will be), but now I try to live life to the best of my capabilities. If any of my words have offended anyone, especially you Ginger, I sincerely apologize.
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