Author Topic: Carlbrook (Read 736588 times)

Charly · « **Reply #1965 on:** January 01, 2007, 07:34:20 PM »

"The entire process is designed to force your son into disclosing his innermost, private thoughts and then force him to change them to conform with what the program and by extension you think they should be."

That is false, especially in the case of 2N. My son's private thoughts are just that. My son's actions became my business. My son's reasons for these actions were something he needed to work out in therapy. He was able to avoid doing this at home. He wasn't able to avoid it as easily, and chose to engage in therapy, at 2N.

psy · « **Reply #1966 on:** January 01, 2007, 07:35:06 PM »

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Part of putting him with the boy who was so socially difficult was that our son understood that this boy's ADD and social issues drove him crazy, and that he needed to figure out a way to deal with the kid and not blow up.

ADD!?!!?

If ADD is the root of the problem how exactly is a wilderness program going to treat that? If you're not treating the program you're merely treating the symptoms and the problem will find other ways of rearing it's ugly head.

Did your son every discover why he was acting the way he was? Otherwise, how did the program help him?

Charly · « **Reply #1967 on:** January 01, 2007, 07:39:08 PM »

A hospital psych ward was not appropriate for my son. He did not have a mental illness. We were clearly told by medical and mental health professionals to steer clear of psychiatric facilities. My son was much better off in the woods than sitting in a hospital room or in a lounge learning how to make potholders. That also would have severely impacted his future educational plans.

I do agree it is an appropriate option in some cases.

hanzomon4 · « **Reply #1968 on:** January 01, 2007, 07:41:33 PM »

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Part of putting him with the boy who was so socially difficult was that our son understood that this boy's ADD and social issues drove him crazy, and that he needed to figure out a way to deal with the kid and not blow up.
ADD!?!!?

If ADD is the root of the problem how exactly is a wilderness program going to treat that? If you're not treating the program you're merely treating the symptoms and the problem will find other ways of rearing it's ugly head.

Did your son every discover why he was acting the way he was? Otherwise, how did the program help him?

That's one of the main problems I have with many of these programs, they treat mental illnesses as behavioral problems.

psy · « **Reply #1969 on:** January 01, 2007, 07:43:50 PM »

Quote from: ""Charly""

A hospital psych ward was not appropriate for my son. He did not have a mental illness. We were clearly told by medical and mental health professionals to steer clear of psychiatric facilities.

So, essentially, you were told by mental health professionals to avoid other mental health professionals? Did they give a good reason?

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My son was much better off in the woods than sitting in a hospital room or in a lounge learning how to make potholders. That also would have severely impacted his future educational plans.

So you're reason is partially having to do with the stigma associated with institutionalization?

try another castle · « **Reply #1970 on:** January 01, 2007, 07:45:34 PM »

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That's one of the main problems I have with many of these programs, they treat mental illnesses as behavioral problems.

Yeah, I'm still trying to figure out what my parents' rationale was for sending a suicidal, bipolar teen to go live in the woods. "Oh, he likes the woods." I know in the past I've said that it was probably better than a psych ward, but I've reconsidered that position.

Ultimately, I really didn't need either.

hanzomon4 · « **Reply #1971 on:** January 01, 2007, 07:46:40 PM »

Quote from: ""Charly""

A hospital psych ward was not appropriate for my son. He did not have a mental illness. We were clearly told by medical and mental health professionals to steer clear of psychiatric facilities. My son was much better off in the woods than sitting in a hospital room or in a lounge learning how to make potholders. That also would have severely impacted his future educational plans.

I do agree it is an appropriate option in some cases.

Psych wards are not just for suffers of mental illness, they treat behavioral problems too. Any self destructive behavior like violence or drug use they will treat as well as illnesses. I don't see how it could hurt his schooling options any more then wilderness, but maybe you know something I don't.

P.S. Potholder making is not on the agenda, and neither is fire making with sticks

hanzomon4 · « **Reply #1972 on:** January 01, 2007, 07:50:52 PM »

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That's one of the main problems I have with many of these programs, they treat mental illnesses as behavioral problems.

Yeah, I'm still trying to figure out what my parents' rationale was for sending a suicidal, bipolar teen to go live in the woods. "Oh, he likes the woods." I know in the past I've said that it was probably better than a psych ward, but I've reconsidered that position.

Ultimately, I really didn't need either. Psych wards are for 5150s, and I wasn't planning on killing myself again.

I feel for ya, I suffer with clinical depression and it's not compatible with wilderness camps. Most days just getting up to pee was difficult. I don't even wanna mention what wilderness camp could do to my OCD

Charly · « **Reply #1973 on:** January 01, 2007, 07:51:56 PM »

My son's issues were not compatible with a psych hospital.

Anonymous · « **Reply #1974 on:** January 01, 2007, 07:52:19 PM »

Quote from: ""Charly""

A hospital psych ward was not appropriate for my son. He did not have a mental illness. We were clearly told by medical and mental health professionals to steer clear of psychiatric facilities. My son was much better off in the woods than sitting in a hospital room or in a lounge learning how to make potholders.

He'd have been much better off at home, or left on his own. Seriously.

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That also would have severely impacted his future educational plans.

That seems to be a MAJOR dealio to you people. :roll: Fucking ivy league crap. I grew up with that mentality....programs just validate the shitty ways that most of these parents view their kids anyway. As an extension and reflection of themselves. Get over yourselves and let your kids grow up in the way that makes sense to them. They'll learn those valuable life lessons you're so anxious for them to gain a lot quicker than if you fuck with that natural process. Sometimes that process gets messy. Mostly because parents were too busy worrying about how their little families appeared to the Joneses than to be bothered with actually raising the kid. It's much easier to ship them off somewhere to be broken down and "fixed" after the parents are the ones that fucked 'em up in the first damn place.

Christ, you "fix" dogs, not kids. :roll:

psy · « **Reply #1975 on:** January 01, 2007, 07:54:22 PM »

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I don't see how it could hurt his schooling options any more then wilderness

Would it have an embarrassing social impact? EG: at the country club, talking with the other parents? Was that a consideration?

psy · « **Reply #1976 on:** January 01, 2007, 07:55:43 PM »

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My son's issues were not compatible with a psych hospital.

How so? Did you research it (other than what the other shrinks had said)?

Charly · « **Reply #1977 on:** January 01, 2007, 07:59:56 PM »

If you think we are "country club" parents, you haven't gotten to know me as well as I thought!

My son chose his own educational path. It had nothing to do with our status as a family or in a social circle.

I know my son and I know how hard he worked to accomplish what he had academically and athletically. Of course I kept that in mind when trying to help him get back on track. Why wouldn't I? Look where he is now? This is HIS path. Why would I have done something to jeopardize it if I didn't have to?

Anonymous · « **Reply #1978 on:** January 01, 2007, 08:02:48 PM »

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My son chose his own educational path.

Private schools for the majority of his fundamental education?

psy · « **Reply #1979 on:** January 01, 2007, 08:06:47 PM »

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If you think we are "country club" parents, you haven't gotten to know me as well as I thought!

I didn't mean it in a bad way. A lot of parents consider an "embarrassing kid" to be a problem more than the harm a kid does to his/herself. My parents often harped on "do you realize how much you have embarrassed us / brought shame on us!"

The "country club" was just an example of an elite social engagement in which kids are often the topic of converstion (EG: "My kid is in Harvard!!!"..."Well... my kid is in MIT.. so there!"..."so what about your kid Emma..."..."My kid's at a psych hospital down the street").

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My son chose his own educational path. It had nothing to do with our status as a family or in a social circle.

I know my son and I know how hard he worked to accomplish what he had academically and athletically. Of course I kept that in mind when trying to help him get back on track. Why wouldn't I? Look where he is now? This is HIS path. Why would I have done something to jeopardize it if I didn't have to?

Well. In retrospect, might your kid have changed on his own with out / impatient therapy?

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