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Anonymous:
--- Quote from: "E Adams" ---Caroline came after me (to RMA), was there when I left, as was Randy E. Ray came about 8 or 9 mos before I left and sat in the I&Me with my peergroup as a participant. Steve Rookey worked in the kitchen. He was the cook. Maybe he sat in a few raps just before I left. Don't recall Lisa or Glen Sutton or Tony A. I think that Brett guy and his wife might have come a couple of mos before I left but don;t recall them very well. Seems like they were fairly young maybe? Don't remember Sheila. John Aaron was at Cedu, not at RMA while I was there. I did sit in one of his raps though so I vaguely remember him. Don't know Vicki. Doug Kim-Brown was certainly there. He arrived about 7 or 8 months after me as I recall. Went through raps propheets and workshops with my peergroup, as a participant. Was running raps and was a family head before I left. He was a piece of work - and I don't mean that in the best sense.
Staff that were there: Steve Kaufman, Rowdy, Joe Sweeney (Well, if you can call him staff?), Mare, Dan K, Bob Silfies, Tom Kray, Ned (something), Barrett (something?), Neil and Debby Weston (who divorced shortly after and she went to Hilltop), etc. I'm sure there were others. Some didn't stay long. S Kaufman left right around when my peer group did - think he had some issues with the program. And Dan & Carmen Earle were there most of the time.
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Joe Sweeny worked at Rocky Mountain Academy before I left in 1993. I agree with your assessment of Doug Kim-Brown. He suggested I join the military because I needed more structure after graduating RMA. Doug Kim-Brown was aware I had epilepsy before making his brilliant suggestion. Were you referring to Ned Murray?
E Adams:
Just remember his name was Ned. He literally arrived weeks before I left. Sort of skinny, brown hair, glasses. Don;t know his last name.
try another castle:
--- Quote ---So, when i read posts like this, I read "staff" doing damage control, a troll, or some majorly brainwashed cult member. The AARC and Straights has these cases. Accordingly, so will CEDU
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Right, right, because everyone who offers an opinion or point of view that doesnt jibe with the hard left are obviously shills, idiots, staff or the who, right?
And there are rarely ever survivors who are like that, right? Were you on the CEDU boards around 05? It was a freakin circus.
Im as anti-program as anyone else here, and I certainly don't think I have any magic powers of deduction, but it always seems pretty obvious to me when staff and shills are posting. Just check out any of the posts that happened right after the AARC piece came out on TV, or when the whole CALO issue started getting hot. They are rarely specific, always inflammatory, totally juvenile, and for some reason, contain a hell of a lot of grammatical/spelling errors.. even theWho's ramblings are like that... and if the post starts out seeming legit, the conversation quickly disintegrates and it becomes obvious when the poster is a troll.
Based on this, Im not exactly sure how you could possibly think that E_Adams one of these types of folks.
Being consistently dismissive is way too myopic for my tastes, and we may end up missing out on vital information as well as learning about that person's experience. We get plenty of trolls, but they always reek to high heaven of living under the proverbial goat-crossing bridge. If we simply decide to try to shut down anyone here who may not say something we like or agree with, well, who really loses?
Look, Im all for reaming people and having a little fun with those who are total brats, but seriously, do you really feel that this guy falls into that category? Im not sure how you could.
Not sure about you, but survivors, especially survivors who were there when things started, Id like to have stick around. Im all for debate and discourse, that's what it's all about in my eyes, so seriously, fucking pay attention to the post before jumping to conclusions like that and writing someone off entirely, because if we do, we never even get to the point of having the conversation to begin with. (Think about CCMGirl. She totally got unnecessarily reamed here, and as a result, she wrote fornits off.)
Anonymous:
Heh, uhhm.
Anonymous:
well said castle!
I have a few questions adams may want to answer if he feels like it. I am glad that you were not traumatised by your time there.
If you were a parent would you send your kid there?
What specific tools or benefits did you get out of it?
Given that you concede that a lot of their methods are pretty crazy how would you try to provide the same benefits to a person without using such a model?
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