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Carlbrook
Inculcated:
--- Quote from: "bobpeterson1973" ---E Adams,
I have some questions for you.
(1) What restraint methods did staff utilize at Carlbrook?
(2) Did staff restrain you?
(3) Why were you restrained?
(4) How long were you restrained for?
(5) How many staff restrained you?
(6) Did staff use excessive force when they restrained you?
(6) Did you witness any emotional abuse, sexual abuse or physical abuse at Carlbrook?
(7) Did you witness excessive force used in restraints towards other students?
(8) What were the consequences for rule infractions at Carlbrook?
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I beleive, these questions were asked with a genuine interest in your perspective and account.
Are you able to answer any of these questions from your experiences of the program you were in?
Anonymous:
E Adams,
Were Caroline Wolf, Steve Rookey, Brett Carey, Lisa Carey, Lisa Sutton, Glen Sutton, Tony Allmaras, Doug Kim-Brown, Randy Eide, Vicki Jones, John Aaron, Ray Kreider or Shiela Clairmont at RMA? I left RMA in 1993.
Anonymous:
--- Quote from: "E Adams" ---Am I a failure at life and a moron? How do you know that Guest? Are you smarter than I am - more intelligent, more insightful, more successful, happier, more at peace with yourself? Are you psychic? Wow. And you know more about the school than I do, and I went there - and you've not said if you even did or did not? I snivel? And curious where I defended the school? I attended the school, I haven't defended it. In fact, if anything, I would think I've said the program was pretty goofball. I wrote this all in English.
And I haven't seen anyone else posting on here about this that was there when I was - not that I've seen at least. You are like a guy who knows everything about a book that he's never read - or a cd he's never heard. The difference between you and TAC is that TAC is sane. And from what I can tell, a %$#@ of a lot smarter than you are. You're not even saying anything. You can't even develop a thought. TAC can actually disagree and explain why he disagrees. You might work on that. And plus, TAC was actually there it seems to me.
Next you'll tell me my girlfriend is ugly or that I need a haircut or something. You know a lot of stuff. It's impressive.
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To clarify, I was being facetious. You said that it depends on your perspective whether or not CEDU tortured it's detainees.
My point was objective reality is not “perspective based.” No matter what your “perspective” my calling you an ugly failure at life is not civil. Get it?
However, I would say anyone who shows up at a forum to defend a man who directed the abduction imprisonment, torture, and murder (of the kids he drove to suicide) at CEDU and now Carlrbook, is someone I would call a failure at life.
You claim to be a former CEDU detainee and yet your first post is to defend this staff member...highly suspicious. Even for a "neutral" or positive on CEDU former detainee, that doesn't seem likely, sorry
E Adams:
Caroline came after me (to RMA), was there when I left, as was Randy E. Ray came about 8 or 9 mos before I left and sat in the I&Me with my peergroup as a participant. Steve Rookey worked in the kitchen. He was the cook. Maybe he sat in a few raps just before I left. Don't recall Lisa or Glen Sutton or Tony A. I think that Brett guy and his wife might have come a couple of mos before I left but don;t recall them very well. Seems like they were fairly young maybe? Don't remember Sheila. John Aaron was at Cedu, not at RMA while I was there. I did sit in one of his raps though so I vaguely remember him. Don't know Vicki. Doug Kim-Brown was certainly there. He arrived about 7 or 8 months after me as I recall. Went through raps propheets and workshops with my peergroup, as a participant. Was running raps and was a family head before I left. He was a piece of work - and I don't mean that in the best sense.
Staff that were there: Steve Kaufman, Rowdy, Joe Sweeney (Well, if you can call him staff?), Mare, Dan K, Bob Silfies, Tom Kray, Ned (something), Barrett (something?), Neil and Debby Weston (who divorced shortly after and she went to Hilltop), etc. I'm sure there were others. Some didn't stay long. S Kaufman left right around when my peer group did - think he had some issues with the program. And Dan & Carmen Earle were there most of the time.
E Adams:
BP, I never witnessed anyone being restrained or restraints of any kind or staff restraining anyone physically. I never witnessed any physical abuse at all. I am not even going to comment on "emotional abuse" or open that can of worms on this board.
There were "work details", "fulltimes" etc. If you are interested go to the documentary "Surviving Cedu" and watch the chapter on fulltimes - that pretty much sums it up.
And Guest: I get it, you're being facetious. So cool. Good for you, dude. I think you're sort of dull and uninteresting. How about that?
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