Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > The Troubled Teen Industry
Carlbrook
Anonymous:
Another point- no one is locked up at Carlbrook. You can walk down the road anytime.
Anonymous:
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"Oh, yes- you know that all of these parents don't love or want their kids. Great conclusion.
There are a lot of advantages to requiring wilderness first. In many cases, the kids were already at wilderness before Carlbrook was considered as a next placement. One kid at Carlbrook actually requested to go back to wilderness after getting in some trouble at Carlbrook-in the dead of winter. You still refuse to admit that wilderness is good for many kids- and valued by many kids.
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And YOU Anon, refuse to concede that if these programs did NOT EXIST you would have to parent your child yourself, instead of paying somebody else to do it.
Get Real ... wilderness therapy is a rip off and the only reason kids are sent to one before TBS is to break their spirit or detox them ... both of which could be done at home with the right amount of coersive manipulation.
What happens if a kid does not volunatarily want to go to Carlbrooke?
:roll:
Deborah:
Which wilderness program does Carlbrook recommend?
Anonymous:
If a kid does not voluntarily AGREE (different than "want") to go to Carlbrook, the school will not accept them.
It has nothing to do with not being willing to parent your kids. In fact, at a certain point, the best and most loving thing you can do for your kid is to admit that you can no longer help him or her and select a good program.
Carlbrook does not recommend one wilderness program. SUWS and Second Nature are frequently chosen by the families, but there are many others.
Nihilanthic:
I have a hard time believing that its totally voluntary and youre not kept by force. Plus, what happesn to the kid if he runs off? Sent to a "tougher" TBS?
Even if thats still the case, that theyre not physically kept in the school, Im still not going to approve of regressional seminars, EVER. Sorry.
Im also not going to approve of a wilderness camp thats basically more of the same, except done with a different mechanism. Its nothing but stressing someone out until they have a emotional outburst and giving them affection during the euphoria when the outburst is over, and taking advantage of that state to influence them.
Thats not growth, its regression. Im sure that you, having gone through it, only remembering the euphoria and the 'love' and other bullshit, and being thuroughly influenced by it cant see it what it is, but Im not going to go on a fruitless endeavour to try to convince you otherwise. Its for people coming in so they know what really happens, not just what Carlbrook tells them.
Also, you say I dont know whats going on. Well, excuse me for Carlbrook not telling me specifics at all, and excuse you for ignoring me on AIM in a huff over this stupid school.
I know how the regressional seminar bullshit works, I know how the wilderness bullshit works. I dont know any other specfiics about Carlbrook, but if they use a seminar by any name - be it workshop or whatever - Im going to say something about it! I dont agree with regression and making children jump through emotional hoola-hoops, playing mind games and putting them on psychological rollercoasters! I also do not agree with having children telling other children what to do and having authority over them. Its risky, unsafe, and just begging for it to be taken advantage of.
Sure, you can paint me the prettiest picture on earth about Carlbrook, but the bottom line is the modicum of information youve chosen to divuldge doesnt convince me as being different from the other shit I've seen out there. Its secretive, vague, clouded in the haze of this new-agey bullshit that you and others spew who come out of those damn seminars, and seems to rest on nothing but 'accepting' youre messed up, and then influencing you to change to get out. Thats not therapy. That IS brainwashing.
BTW, stop speaking in vague terms and telling me about feelings and tell some damn specifics. When feelings are the only thing you speak of it supports my theory that its just a damn seminar-program because thats how a seminar WORKS - reducing you to emotions.
If you want to convince me its not like that, youre going to have to speak with DETAILS about what happens. DETAILS about the day to day life of the program. DETAILS about the authority and power and decisions exercised and made by oldcomers over newcomers. DETAILS about the workshops!
You give me feelings, that "I wont get it unless I go through it" and other feel-good bullshit. Ive heard it all before. It comes from everyone out of a program. When they all start to rhyme, then all start to sound the same, you get very, very suspicious.
BTW, I still can't find a rational reason why ALL children need to be put in a damned wilderness camp before Carlbrook except to help break them down. Seems to be painting with a large brush to say ALL children need it. I mean shit, you say theres no 'fixing' at carlbrook (sounds like more doublespeak) so why are they there? If they arent fixed, what happens to them?
"I predict, Sir, that you will die either by hanging or of some vile disease."
"That all depends, sir, upon whether I embrace your principles or your mistress."
--Disraeli to Gladstone
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