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Carlbrook
Anonymous:
Carlbrook only accepts kids directly from wilderness (no stops at home). The kids can arrive at Carlbrook by escort or with the family.
Nihilanthic:
"I didn't agree with everything that was done, but on the whole it is an excellent program and has done a lot of good for many kids. There is a big relapse rate within 6 months after leaving Carlbrook. It is a very insular and safe place, and the real world presents challenges that the kids are not always equipped to face."
Sure smells like something... kinda fishy, sorta like a cow pasture, oh yeah, bullshit.. A CULT!
It REEKS of being just another regression/seminar based 'treatment center', which is culty by definition. Funny how you dodge that so artfully, Anon Sanders. Tell me, how did you feel being reduced to tears and nothing but intense emotions and having your intellect reduced to nothing in all those workshops?
Tell me parent, why didnt you get a full 'workshop' experience but your child did? Hmm? Can't handle it?
Oh, and 'wilderness only' definitely tips me off about two things:
1. Its just another step in the pipeline of fleecing parents by keeping their children in 'the industry' as long as you can. What the fuck is Carlbrook to say taht all kids need to go through a wilderness thing before the program? And why are wilderness things only step one in a program now? They dont work anymore?
2. If they just came from a wilderness program, and in all likelyhood were told they would be going home and were SURPRISED! all over again, they would be either broken down already, or pushed to the limit and easier to break down in a workshop.
I know you all are too brainwashed from the emotional psycho cryfests of your seminars(workshops) to think straight but Im hoping someone who stumbles on the thread would go to ISAC and read about the discovery seminars, or regressional 'therapy' like EST/Lifespring/Synannon/SEED/Straight did back in the day and everyone just rips off. So, dont feel bad personally. God knows I dont want you to have ANOTHER psycho cryfest at a computer.
Oh, and the whole stanford-experiment-esque bullshit with making children responsible for other children is still bullshit. Trusting an untrained, potentially problematic (otherwise why the hell are they there?) and very much ADOLESCENT child with authority over other children is begging for trouble. But hey, with enough workshopping you'll be whipped into thinking its nothing but love honor and other mind-numbing seminar-speak.
Just close your eyes and say some more lingo and go back in your mind to one of those stupid seminars if I start making your brain work too hard :wave: because in the good ole US of A, cults are A-okay!
Edit: almost forgot to say this: A program need not be bootcamp based to be abusive. Anything where the whole point is instigating regression, and forcing a child to buy into a program, to believe all of it and indoctrinate as grounds for being 'better' and graduating are by nature a cult and inherantly abusive. "Resistant"? No, they HAD their own will until it was broken. Havent you ever thought about why the whole point of the damn place is to make you buy into some happy hippy new-agey bullshit and 'love' the program and everyone in it? Ever wonder why youre so damned protective and clingy to a treatment center? Why all these emotions are present? Its a freaking treatment center, move the hell on!
I wasn't raised Catholic, but I used to go to Mass with my friends, and I viewed the whole business as a lot of very enthralling hocus-pocus. There's a guy hanging upon the wall in the church, nailed to a cross and dripping blood, and everybody's blaming themselves for that man's torment, but I said to myself, 'Forget it. I had no hand in that evil. I have no original sin. Theres no blood of any sacred martyr an my hands. I pass on all of this.'
--Billy Joel, American musician
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[ This Message was edited by: Nihilanthic on 2005-08-08 10:19 ]
Anonymous:
Nihil, you have no idea what you are talking about. Your bullshit is an attempt to cover up a total lack of information. Carlbrook is not a cult. It is an therapeutic boarding school. The school is very careful about who it admits. They accept a limited type of kids and no students with severe learning differences or real severe psychiatric problems. The age range is also narrow- 15-17 with a few older 14s and some kids turning 18 while they are there. The head guy is an asshole- a very talented asshole who has built an incredible school based on a model he and his partner developed. He and his partner are Cascade graduates and felt that there was a better model that could be used. They expect kids to challenge the system-that is why the kids are there in the first place. Carlbrook provides a safe place for the kids to make mistakes, grown and figure out where they want to be in their lives. It isn't for everyone- kids who came in with serious addictions don't get as much addiction treatment as they should, and are likely to regress. But for the kids who are willing to eventually be open to what the therapists and other kids can teach them, it is a great program.
Parent
Anonymous:
--- Quote ---On 2005-08-08 10:07:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Carlbrook only accepts kids directly from wilderness (no stops at home). The kids can arrive at Carlbrook by escort or with the family."
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Yep, just as I figured.
Brat Camp first ... to make the kid damn glad to have a bed to sleep in even if they are locked up in a TBS.
You program people disgust me and so do the parents who do this to their kids under the guise of "therapy". What a lousy way to parent. By checkbook and once a month conference calls.
No wonder some of these poor kids learn to love the program, they are probably the only people who ever showed them any attention. These programs, abusive as they may be, are still better for some kids than parents who do not love or want them.
Very sad commentary.
:flame:
Anonymous:
Oh, yes- you know that all of these parents don't love or want their kids. Great conclusion.
There are a lot of advantages to requiring wilderness first. In many cases, the kids were already at wilderness before Carlbrook was considered as a next placement. One kid at Carlbrook actually requested to go back to wilderness after getting in some trouble at Carlbrook-in the dead of winter. You still refuse to admit that wilderness is good for many kids- and valued by many kids.
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