Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > Brat Camp
Typical Day at Sagewalk
Nihilanthic:
So, coersement with nothing but being trapped there? Instead of trying to minimize coersion and still set up settings where its "conform or youre never leaving" (Until youre 18) and just have some campfire raps, why do any of that at all?
I'll admit with the potential for pressure in any setting like that taken aside, its gonna be less abusive than instigating nothing but breakdown after breakdown ala bratcamp (or any program, for that matter) but why do that? Besdies, how do you set up such vague circumstances for leaving? "Improve or youre not leaving" "Curse and you stay longer"... WTF? I'm 20, not in a program and I'd say "fuck that" in a heartbeat. Nobody is going to enjoy being trapped like that.
A Freudian slip is when you say one thing but mean your mother.
--Anonymous
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Anonymous:
I need to stop looking at this site because the rampant ignorance just upsets me. "Doing nothing" ceases to be an option at some point. Adults have the responsibility of caring for their kids-not to mention the fact that they LOVE them. Also, adults are responsible for the safety of others. Many of these kids were a threat to others, AND to the families in which they were living. Do you think the parents should just let the kids steal from them, wreck cars, drive while drunk or stoned.....?
These are simply not acceptable choices, and parents can not let their childen continue this conduct. Parents have jobs, other kids and assets that they need to protect. At some point, the teen needs to be safe and out of the household. That is when a placement is made. You guys just don't get it.
Anonymous:
--- Quote ---On 2005-07-29 09:41:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I need to stop looking at this site because the rampant ignorance just upsets me. "Doing nothing" ceases to be an option at some point. Adults have the responsibility of caring for their kids-not to mention the fact that they LOVE them. Also, adults are responsible for the safety of others. Many of these kids were a threat to others, AND to the families in which they were living. Do you think the parents should just let the kids steal from them, wreck cars, drive while drunk or stoned.....?
These are simply not acceptable choices, and parents can not let their childen continue this conduct. Parents have jobs, other kids and assets that they need to protect. At some point, the teen needs to be safe and out of the household. That is when a placement is made. You guys just don't get it."
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The vast majority of the kids who are sent to these programs are not in as extreme a state as you seem to think. The situations you mention-- stealing, drunk driving, etc., can be solved in SO many ways. But it looks like parents these days just don't want to do the dirty work. So they dump the kids in a gulag, make it someone else's problem, and start whining about how everybody should feel sorry for them, "because it was the hardest choice I ever had to make!" :roll:
Anonymous:
--- Quote ---On 2005-07-29 09:41:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I need to stop looking at this site because the rampant ignorance just upsets me. "Doing nothing" ceases to be an option at some point. Adults have the responsibility of caring for their kids-not to mention the fact that they LOVE them. Also, adults are responsible for the safety of others. Many of these kids were a threat to others, AND to the families in which they were living. Do you think the parents should just let the kids steal from them, wreck cars, drive while drunk or stoned.....?
These are simply not acceptable choices, and parents can not let their childen continue this conduct. Parents have jobs, other kids and assets that they need to protect. At some point, the teen needs to be safe and out of the household. That is when a placement is made. You guys just don't get it."
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None of the kids there behave in the manner you describe. I hope you do stop coming to this forum, believe me, but it is your posts which reek of ignorance, not ours. :smile:
Deborah:
Is it because you believe that a program is the 'only' way, that makes it impossible for you realize that NO one here is saying DO NOTHING. Quite the contrary.
But, by all means, do take care of yourself. No one would want you to FEEL angry or uncomfortable. And when you're leaving, appreciate your freedom to do so- a right that's not available to the teens even when they are being intentionally baited.
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