Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > Brat Camp
Typical Day at Sagewalk
Anonymous:
Exactly, there are other options that don't place blame and guilt on people and have the only goal be that of submission and dependency. Most mainstream family therapists would think that was ridiculous.
Anonymous:
And what are these other options? Once a family has exhausted therapy (these kids, by their own admission, can lie to and manipulate ANY therapist they are seeing once or twice a week), has no ability to impose consequences- what then, oh wise ones???
Antigen:
Well let's see now. Thomas Jefferson was a pain in the ass, spoiled rich kid when his father died. And, by all accounts, including his own, he only got worse for a couple of years. But, in the end, he turned out OK. So maybe you should die and see what happens?
Or how about Michael J. Fox. He took off from his home in Canada to become a movie star in Hollywood at the age of 16. Obviously, he was delusional and out of control. Certainly he was destined to suck dick in the Tenderloin District and any right thinking parent should nip that in the bud to save his life. Not these irresponsible, codependent, enabling, weak, horrible parents. They wished him luck, kept in touch, gave him all the support in the world. What losers, eh? Maybe you should try that.
Or, if you want some old school wisdom from an old school, textbook hero, try this. "I've found that the best way to give advice to my children is to find out what they want to do and then advise them to do it." --Winston Churchill
Seriously, have you ever considered that all that "helping" might be contributing to the problems? Ever seen the movie "Anger Management"? Do you understand what passive aggressive means? If all else fails, at least quit doing it. Maybe the major part of the problem is that the kid has had just about all the help they can stand. Maybe not. But, before you resort to desparate means in an heroic rescue story ripe for the O channel where you play the hero/heroin, first do no harm.
The clearest way into the Universe is through a forest wilderness.
-- John Muir
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Antigen:
Wait, one more glib, cliche reference. Remember what happened to the Magician's Apprentice? Went monkeying around in things he had no business monkeying with. And every attempt to unfuck himself only made it worse. Based on very old and well preserved germanic folklore.
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Anonymous:
--- Quote ---On 2005-07-29 13:06:00, Anonymous wrote:
"And what are these other options? Once a family has exhausted therapy (these kids, by their own admission, can lie to and manipulate ANY therapist they are seeing once or twice a week), has no ability to impose consequences- what then, oh wise ones???"
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Do you really want to talk about lying and manipulating people? What do you call lying to kids to get them into rehab, then MANIPULATING them into doing exactly what you want at every single waking and sleeping moment of their young lives? By doing things like, I don't know, making their lives as uncomfortable as you can within the confines of the law, of course, we wouldn't want to do anything illegal. The parents and these facilities put these kids to shame when you start talking about lying and manipulating people.
Family therapists, if they're good at all, will be able to provide a safe environment where the kids won't feel as though they have to be defensive. DUH.
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