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Anonymous:
Theres a shitload of reasons why kids wind up in programs. If my parents had thought of it, they would have plopped my sorry-ass in one. Instead they told me that one my 18th birthday if I didnt get with THEIR program Id find my stuff in the front yard. Best wakeup call Ive gotten! It sucks but as long as youre under their roof or theyre kicking down with the cash, you play by their rules. The money train goes where it wants and I wasnt driving. It sucks but that the way it fucking goes. I learned a big lesson - and it was self-reliance. Nobody was there to tell me to eat more vegetables, get more sleep, not smoke weed, pay my bills, blah blah blah. It took a while but I figured out some of the stuff I was doing was a stupid waste of time - but I learned it on my own. I have friends who got thrown out and theyve said that if their parents hadnt kicked em to the curb theyd still be living in the basement sleeping on some crappy couch working just enough to by more weed. Theres lots of different ways to "get with the program".

Anonymous:
The program breeds dependence, even though they like to think the opposite. The program graduates are the ones living with their parents well into their 20's, not the ones taking their exit plans.

Anonymous:

--- Quote ---On 2005-07-28 14:39:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Theres a shitload of reasons why kids wind up in programs. If my parents had thought of it, they would have plopped my sorry-ass in one. Instead they told me that one my 18th birthday if I didnt get with THEIR program Id find my stuff in the front yard. Best wakeup call Ive gotten! It sucks but as long as youre under their roof or theyre kicking down with the cash, you play by their rules. The money train goes where it wants and I wasnt driving. It sucks but that the way it fucking goes. I learned a big lesson - and it was self-reliance. Nobody was there to tell me to eat more vegetables, get more sleep, not smoke weed, pay my bills, blah blah blah. It took a while but I figured out some of the stuff I was doing was a stupid waste of time - but I learned it on my own. I have friends who got thrown out and theyve said that if their parents hadnt kicked em to the curb theyd still be living in the basement sleeping on some crappy couch working just enough to by more weed. Theres lots of different ways to "get with the program"."

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What's your point? Everyone learns self-reliance when they move out. It's called growing up. If your parents let you become a fat slob uncapable of taking care of yourself, well, that sucks. But a program isn't going to solve that. Parents would like to think programs can fix their mistakes, they are SO wrong it's sad.

Anonymous:
I guess the point I tried to make is that maybe the parents that choose programs feel its a better choice than throwing a kid out on his ass. They probably see it as putting a kid in the hands of "experts" and the more expensive the better. And I dont know about you but Ive made some pretty shitty choices in the friends department. No better way to get your kid out of the grip of "the bad kids" than to send him off. And I probably would have turned out different if my parents hadnt been wrapped up in fucking up their own relationship and had spent more time with me.

Antigen:

--- Quote ---On 2005-07-28 15:21:00, Anonymous wrote:

 I guess the point I tried to make is that maybe the parents that choose programs feel its a better choice than throwing a kid out on his ass.

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I think you're probably right. They think it's better cause they don't have to see what they're paying for. And, of course, they are paying. How many times have you read the astonishing statement that parents who don't love their kids don't spend money on them. Really! So, in these people's minds, money not only buys love, but is, in fact, evidence of it! Wow!

In regard to most of the programs that come up under discussion around here, it would be a good deal better to throw the kids out. But why settle for just better than the worst thing one could do? Why not actually do something WITH the kids? Instead of spending anywhere from $50 to $200k/yr on this scam, why not take off a few months and go camping WITH the kid? Shit, hire a newagey trail guide w/ some indian sounding pseudonym if it makes you feel better about the whole thing.

Getting away from grind and the static and constant noise of civilization is a probably a good thing for most people, whatever may be troubling your mind. No need to needle and poke at the kid to break them down. No need to prohibit phone and mail contact w/ the outside world. No need for any of the abusive tactics, diet restrictions or unneccessary hardships. And I would think that parents who are willing to spend the time and endure the rustic life WITH the kid would earn something like bona fied respect rather than fear based compliance.

I suppose it depends on what you're after in life. I'd rather have my kid give me the finger over taking out the trash and confide in my over the serious stuff than the other way around.


In questions of power, then, let no more be heard of confidence in man, but bind him down from mischief by the chains of the Constitution."

--Thomas Jefferson 1798
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