Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > Brat Camp
Typical Day at Sagewalk
Anonymous:
--- Quote ---On 2005-07-27 18:41:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I've made an attempt to respond every post directed at me or reply to one of my posts. However, I am finding more and more difficult to address everything, especially a lot of generalizations, misconceptions, and flatout mistruths presented on this forum.
But the whet the appetite of some of the nay-sayers on this forum, I will express some grievences I do have...
-I know Brat Camp is exploitation, if they were going to make a show of this, it should've been at least voluntary. It sucks to have these kids privacy violated, but you must understand the extremely lucratrive incentive to have 15k therapy program paid for in full.
-Based on what I saw on the intro to BC, Derek should not have been sent to SW. I'm fairly sure that his entire story was not told but if it's just him not taking his medication thats making him act out or whatever, then he just needs to be convinced to take his medication. I'm fairly sure that theres more to the story, however.
-Although I was required to take a physical prior to attending SageWalk, they should've done bloodwork since Diabetes is one of the conditions that prevent enrollment. I think that all students should be tested for Diabetes and Epilepsy.
Despite these, I still stand that SW is a good program. I have no freakin' clue as to why everyone thinks that all the kids are all normal kids and the parents are all abusive and evil, and then one day, they write a check, the kid is sent away and then the parents sit back at home, sip cocktails and laugh, then 45 days later, their children come out as slave robots. SW is never the first option, I read all the material that SW sent my parents (they have archived every single thing that has pertained to SW or any other treatment and circumstances of my behavior), it's no cakewalk for the parents either. They're told that they need to change their ways as well, and they have to work on that as well. It's not just a matter of writing a check either. There is a very lengthy application process.
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Well alrighty, now we are getting somewhere.
Personally? I think you would have liked Outward Bound (if you were accepted) because you appear to be someone who truly believes you benefited from the challenge of wilderness survival.
The points you made are all valid and serve to underscore why nobody thinks the Wilderness Therapy industry is about helping kids... it's about making money. Lots of MONEY. From the blood, sweat and tears of children.
Yeah, these teen helpers are heroes, allright.
NOT!
Anonymous:
--- Quote ---On 2005-07-27 18:41:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Despite these, I still stand that SW is a good program. I have no freakin' clue as to why everyone thinks that all the kids are all normal kids and the parents are all abusive and evil, and then one day, they write a check, the kid is sent away and then the parents sit back at home, sip cocktails and laugh, then 45 days later, their children come out as slave robots. SW is never the first option, I read all the material that SW sent my parents (they have archived every single thing that has pertained to SW or any other treatment and circumstances of my behavior), it's no cakewalk for the parents either. They're told that they need to change their ways as well, and they have to work on that as well. It's not just a matter of writing a check either. There is a very lengthy application process.
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Well I think you're generalizing that everyone on here thinks exactly the same thing. I happen to think that the kids do have problems, but that a lot of it probably stems from the family dynamics at home. Check out some of the family therapy options and their theories, such as systems family therapy, and you will see what I am talking about. These kids just aren't severe enough from what I've seen to warrant such an extreme approach, especially since the problem to me appears to be the family as a whole. They should be in some good family therapy at home, not in a residential type wilderness therapy program. These programs don't make any sense to me in any way, teaching kids the value of submission and agreeing with others is the only thing I see happening here. This may cause everyone to start getting along, sure, the kids may not be as angry, sure....but is that what is really best for them and their family? Call up a family therapist in your area and ask them what they think about this nonsense. I bet they will think it's all nonsense.
Here are a couple of commonly accepted and USED family therapy theories:
Attachment theory: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attachment_theory
Systems Family Therapy:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_systems_therapy
Anonymous:
I think they should send all the kids to Maui for a month and put the parent(s)in SW.
Anonymous:
--- Quote ---There is a very lengthy application process.
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So there is a long application form to fill in as well! Those poor parents. The things they have to do for their children. My heart bleads.
Antigen:
This is really all about changing definitions; manipulating language. Weakness is strength, submission is character. Far as I can tell, Isaiah's big problem is that he stubornly persists in defending himself from the dumb jocks. We can't have that, can we? And Nick? Well Nick made me think of someone I knew briefely. His rents sent him to Outward Bound. He loved it. When he got home, they went right on w/ their overt child abuse (I won't go into details here, but trust me, it was not borderline stuff) So he took his newfound independence and self reliance and he rebelled. So they sent him to Straight. He sucked it up long enough to get onto 3rd phase and then used his wilderness survival skills to live pretty much in the woods for a couple of years till he came of age.
Dude's an investment banker these days. Put himself through school selling pot and coke in Philly.
In the long run, it worked out pretty well for the guy. But he's a tough guy. I doubt seriously that the rents got what they thought they were paying for or that this particular guy would have fared any differently no matter what they did or didn't do.
I have found Christian dogma unintelligible. Early in life, I absenteed myself from Christian assemblies.
--Benjamin Franklin, American Founding Father and inventor
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