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Typical Day at Sagewalk

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Nihilanthic:
TSW - the problem is that people really are just... ignorant about this topic (or any at all it seems) and that you can just call anything 'therapeutic' and people just buy into it!

I guess its some mix of new-agey bullshit and the "good 'ole" mentality of suffering being "good for 'em" that they use to hook people into sending their kids off. People seem to like the idea of punishment despite the fact that its ineffective at best and detremential at worst. That "they deserve it" justifies this even when you face up to the fact that its not therapeutic and they do actually "need help" in the minds of many.

That, and people think a breakdown is a 'break through' and psychological regressions and extreme emotional outbursts are 'good' somehow. Its not 'good for them' or a 'growth experience' anymore than surviving a rape or torture or severe injury is (sure, if you survive you've grown, but they might very well break your spirit... and theres no reason to go around tormenting people so they 'grow', now is there?) but it DOES make them suggestable to new ideas. Its brainwashing in a nutshell, just more subtle and with an air of indian this and that and new-agey psycho-bullshit thrown all over it and stupid parents who just believe.

Hell, I heard someone talking about how the "wilderness effect" on her kid wore off on some forum... HELLO!??!?! What year is it, and what time period does that kind of stupid mentality belong in? And I also dont get why people get shipped off to lockin programs after going through the hiking programs... WTF is the reason for that? Neither works so double up? I know the ulterior motive is just a money train that they don't let the kids off of for a long time - but how do they justify it to the parents?

*sigh* ultimately there is no reasoning with them, if theyve been sucked in few dare admit the mistake. One can only hope more people come out and this eventually is put to its end for good... but given the current politial and cultural situation, It might be a long time.
America when will you be angelic
When will you take off your clothes....
America after all it is you and I who are perfect
Not the next world.
--Allen Ginsberg
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Anonymous:
I honestly think most people who watch the show are horrified. Otherwise why would the ratings be so high? (fear factor, law and order SVU, extreme makeover, etc...) The show will get old fast. I'm already bored with it. How many weeks can you string out standard teenager drama?

Anonymous:
Not to mention the turd circle.  :roll: How stupid can it get?

Antigen:

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"I honestly think most people who watch the show are horrified. Otherwise why would the ratings be so high? (fear factor, law and order SVU, extreme makeover, etc...) The show will get old fast. I'm already bored with it. How many weeks can you string out standard teenager drama?



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My family watches that crap. I can't stand it, myself. I don't mind the physical challenges. Some of those are rather cool. But I can't stand watching people eat disgusting crap and don't really understand why anyone would either do it (even for a chance at $50k), far less why anyone would want to watch it.

But there's a major difference here, and I wonder if most viewers even consider this. All of the participants in those other shows are voluntary. It's their choice to participate, for watever reasons. They can walk away at any time (though I'm sure there are contract stipulations to discourage it) These kids are literally kidnapped out of their beds at night or tricked by their own parents into going. There's no practical chance at escape. And they (shit bird and her buddies) intentionally push them past the point of reason on a regular basis to where they'll risk life and limb to attempt it anyway.

The whole spectacle reminds me very much of the afternoon when ATF set fire to the Waco complex. People in my office cheered like the home team just scored a touch down. I'm thoroughly disgusted w/ the network and their audience.
Why should we take advice on sex from the Pope? If he knows anything about it, he shouldn't.
--George Bernard Shaw, Irish-born English playwright
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Anonymous:
I've made an attempt to respond every post directed at me or reply to one of my posts. However, I am finding more and more difficult to address everything, especially a lot of generalizations, misconceptions, and flatout mistruths presented on this forum.

But the whet the appetite of some of the nay-sayers on this forum, I will express some grievences I do have...

-I know Brat Camp is exploitation, if they were going to make a show of this, it should've been at least voluntary. It sucks to have these kids privacy violated, but you must understand the extremely lucratrive incentive to have 15k therapy program paid for in full.

-Based on what I saw on the intro to BC, Derek should not have been sent to SW. I'm fairly sure that his entire story was not told but if it's just him not taking his medication thats making him act out or whatever, then he just needs to be convinced to take his medication. I'm fairly sure that theres more to the story, however.

-Although I was required to take a physical prior to attending SageWalk, they should've done bloodwork since Diabetes is one of the conditions that prevent enrollment. I think that all students should be tested for Diabetes and Epilepsy.

Despite these, I still stand that SW is a good program. I have no freakin' clue as to why everyone thinks that all the kids are all normal kids and the parents are all abusive and evil, and then one day, they write a check, the kid is sent away and then the parents sit back at home, sip cocktails and laugh, then 45 days later, their children come out as slave robots. SW is never the first option, I read all the material that SW sent my parents (they have archived every single thing that has pertained to SW or any other treatment and circumstances of my behavior), it's no cakewalk for the parents either. They're told that they need to change their ways as well, and they have to work on that as well. It's not just a matter of writing a check either. There is a very lengthy application process.

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