Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > Brat Camp
Typical Day at Sagewalk
Anonymous:
--- Quote ---Uh-what you are saying bears absolutely no resemblance to the programs my son attended.
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If that is true, then I'm happy for oyur son.
--- Quote --- I don't know where you are dreaming up all this crap,
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Dreaming up? More like talking to people who've been through it. Unlike you.
--- Quote --- but maybe you should check out some of the programs the parents are actually sending kids to! Many of the TBSs are very similar to prep boarding schools, but with many more restrictions and lots of therapy.
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Bullshit. Many of the TBSs are very similar to a POW camp.
--- Quote --- Do you really think we, as parents, are stupid enough to just hand our kids over without knowing a lot about these programs and others who have been through them?
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YES! You do it all the time! You believe the program propaganda, you believe their "reference lists", but you don't believe the kids who've been there and know about the horrors that happen behind the walls.
--- Quote --- Do you really think our kids are two year olds who can not communicate abuse to us?
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You kids are not two year olds. And, no, they can't tell you if things go wrong. Why, you ask?
Because most facilities censore their mail. Becuase they are often told by the program staff their parents know about the abuse and aprove of it. Because the parents themselves are constantly told they can't trust their own children, and that any reports of abuse are "manipulations".
--- Quote --- Many of our kids have been home for a year or two now, and we have NO reports of any abuse. Yep-there were lots of consequences for breaking rules. Some of these seemed silly. Lessons were learned from most of them. These are kids who are now in college, in many cases. It hink they could figure out if they had been abused.
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Surprisingly, many of them can't. After being told for months and years that it's "for their own good", after reading letters by their parents in which their parents back the program up, after being subjected to the stress and psychological damage that result from going through a program-- many of them are no longer sure what is abuse and what isn't. And many of them accept the program's line, that what was done to them was not abuse, even though many times, what happened in the program will be considered abuse by normal measures.
--- Quote ---You are a moron.
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No, you are the moron. Unfortunately, it's your child who is paying for your stupidity.
Troll Control:
--- Quote ---On 2005-07-31 07:46:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Now THAT is a fine example of maturity and helpful input, Dysfunction Junction. I guess you didn't stick with your therapy!
The parents on strugglingteens have not "given up" on their kids. To the contrary, they are willing to make the ultimate sacrifice- sending their child away from home for help.
You people over here will never "get it" and are accomplishing nothing. I don't think you understand how truly in the minority you are, and how very few abuses really have occurred. Hell, the Catholic church has a much bigger problem than the teen help industry. MOST of these programs are run by people who are properly trained and educated and have started the programs because they sincerely want to help these families and teens.
Parents- if you have questions on specific programs, post on strugglingteens and you will get honest and thorough responses- from people who actually can construct a sentence."
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What makes you think I was ever IN therapy? I haven't been, and most likely will not be.
The fact of the matter is that I am a highly educated professional with masters degrees in both Social Work and Business Administration. I worked at two BM warehouses and know first-hand what goes on there. You do not, and it's abundantly clear.
I was simply poking fun at your factually bereft pontification that the people who post on this site are "militaristic." That staement is farcical and laughable, as most everyone on this site would be considered "liberal" by conventional standards and are opposed to violence of any sort, especially against children, which you clearly espouse by publicly advocating these abusive "programs."
Now, to address your "ultimate sacrifice," as you so pompously expressed it:
Giving your children away to strangers to be "fixed" is the polar-opposite of the "ultimate sacrifice."
I would submit that it is also the height of hypocrisy. Sending your child away is a tacit admission of parental failure on your part and a "cop out" to avoid the reality of your failed raising your own offspring.
Tell the parents of soldiers who have died in the line of duty in Iraq that their children didn't make the ultimate sacrifice by fighting and dying for your freedom, but rather YOU did by completely abdicating your parental mandate and handing over your kid to a behavior modification warehouse for reprogramming because you simply weren't willing to do what was necessary to nurture them into emotional growth and stability.
So get down off your soapbox, shut your trap and think before you deign to lecture others about a subject on which you are an abject failure, as you have become a self-revealed moron of monolithic proportion.
By the way, whether or not your kids tell you anything about their lives (which I doubt with sincerity), they do completely understand exactly what a failure you are for quitting on them when they needed you most.
Good day.
Anonymous:
OK- I get it. You weren't ever in therapy. It's all clear now. You need to be! Yep, we failed as parents. I'll admit that. It's a tough job these days. I did many things wrong as a parent. I set a bad example, I raged, I spent too much time at my job. Having failed, we turned to professional help for our kid and ourselves. It worked. My kid is doing great. He isn't wasting his time moaning and groaning about losing a year of his life. He's taken some of the tools and moved on. I guess you don't believe in seeking professional medical care, either.
OverLordd:
He was not moaning and groaning about a year of his life being striped from him, because you would of sent him back. Because you can't take it when some one disagrees with you or speaks up and out. So here is the question, if you have failed as a parent, if you have messed and fucked everything up, why are you not sent away to be abused? Why are you not tossed in a fucking camp like your kid? Remember, its your fault, so you should be sent away too.
YuckFou:
--- Quote ---On 2005-07-31 11:11:00, Anonymous wrote:
"OK- I get it. You weren't ever in therapy. It's all clear now. You need to be! Yep, we failed as parents. I'll admit that. It's a tough job these days. I did many things wrong as a parent. I set a bad example, I raged, I spent too much time at my job. Having failed, we turned to professional help for our kid and ourselves. It worked. My kid is doing great. He isn't wasting his time moaning and groaning about losing a year of his life. He's taken some of the tools and moved on. I guess you don't believe in seeking professional medical care, either. "
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You realize, THIS PERSON is the professional medical help you sought, I'd say they know what they're talking about.
--- Quote --- I worked at two BM warehouses and know first-hand what goes on there. You do not, and it's abundantly clear.
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