Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > Brat Camp
Typical Day at Sagewalk
Anonymous:
One 17 year old kid who never went to a program invaded your crap site. Why don't you delete him if that's a problem? You've deleted plenty before his time. And yes, feel free to post whatever you want. The freedom feels great doesnt it? FUCK FUCK FUCK you.
Anonymous:
--- Quote ---On 2005-07-31 07:46:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Now THAT is a fine example of maturity and helpful input, Dysfunction Junction. I guess you didn't stick with your therapy!
The parents on strugglingteens have not "given up" on their kids. To the contrary, they are willing to make the ultimate sacrifice- sending their child away from home for help.
You people over here will never "get it" and are accomplishing nothing. I don't think you understand how truly in the minority you are, and how very few abuses really have occurred. Hell, the Catholic church has a much bigger problem than the teen help industry. MOST of these programs are run by people who are properly trained and educated and have started the programs because they sincerely want to help these families and teens.
Parents- if you have questions on specific programs, post on strugglingteens and you will get honest and thorough responses- from people who actually can construct a sentence."
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You didn't make a sacrifice. Your child did. You made your child sacrifice their childhood, their safety, their health, in many cases their sanity and basic trust in humanity. It was your choice to put them through all that. Yours alone.
You gave up on your child. You threw your child to the lions' den, to be hurt time and time again. And you call that "love"? You are sick and pathetic.
The people on Fornits are not in the minority. People like you, who believe parenting is all biology and has no emotional component to it (which is why you send your child to be raised by others), are in the minority. It takes a special kind of madness to hand your child over to be hurt and abused, and convince yourself that by harming your child, you are saving his/her life.
Anonymous:
My child did not sacrifice his childhood, his safety OR his health. In fact, we sent him to the program so he would BE safe, and he was. His nutrition was better, he was away from drugs and alcohol and he was healthy. He did give up a year of his life to mature and gain perspective- I wouldn't refer to that year as part of "childhood". Giving an angry, at-risk teenager the chance to turn his life around doesn't seem like such a sacrifice. Yep-he lost the ability to steal things, hurt other people, ruin his future, destroy his family.....what a terrible sacrifice he made.
Anonymous:
--- Quote ---My child did not sacrifice his childhood, his safety OR his health. In fact, we sent him to the program so he would BE safe, and he was.
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How do you know that? Oh, because the PROGRAM told you. And, of course, your child's cries for help were just "manipulation". :roll:
--- Quote --- His nutrition was better, he was away from drugs and alcohol and he was healthy.
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How do you know his nutrition was better?
How do you know he was away from drugs and alcohol? In many of these facilities, the staff often give students drugs and alcohol.
And how do you know he was healthy?
Hey, here's a revolutaionary idea: How about you BEING A PARENT and taking care of all this on your own?
--- Quote --- He did give up a year of his life to mature and gain perspective- I wouldn't refer to that year as part of "childhood".
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Children do not "mature" in programs. If anything, they regress to infanthood. They are not allowed to experience independence, because they are not allowed to make even the simplest decisions. They are not allowed to experience maturity, because they are constantly treated as babies who must be contained, restricted, restrained. Their growth is stunted.
What "perspective" did you son gain? What lessons has he learned? He leanred to survive in a highly hostile, abusive environment. He's learned how easly will his own parents abandon him. He learned never to trust you again. He learned he must put on a show for you if he doesn't want to be sent back into hell.
--- Quote --- Giving an angry, at-risk teenager the chance to turn his life around doesn't seem like such a sacrifice. Yep-he lost the ability to steal things, hurt other people, ruin his future, destroy his family.....what a terrible sacrifice he made.
--- End quote ---
Children who go through these programs lose the ability to trust others, because they have learned they can't trust their own parents, who are supposed to protect and support them. Their parents abandoned them (by sending them away) and betrayed them (by dismissing their cries for help as "manipulation").
Children who go through these programs lose the ability to feel safe. After months or years of being constantly watched, punished harshly for even the slightest infraction, being watched at all times-- even while showering or undressing (99.9% of all programs do this), and having to follow excessively restrictive r8ules taht change on the whim of the unqualified, untrained staff-- these children learn that they can't be safe anymore. They learn that there is always someone watching, waiting to hurt them.
Children who go through these programs lose their innocence, their ambition, their drive, and in some cases their will to live. Their souls are murdered. You have sent your son off to be slaughtered. Way to go, mom. Pat yourself on the back and tell yourself again that you made the "loving choice". Ignore your son's nightmares, anxiety, and reports of abuse-- it's all "manipulation" anyway, isn't it, "Mom"? :roll:
Anonymous:
Uh-what you are saying bears absolutely no resemblance to the programs my son attended. I don't know where you are dreaming up all this crap, but maybe you should check out some of the programs the parents are actually sending kids to! Many of the TBSs are very similar to prep boarding schools, but with many more restrictions and lots of therapy.
Do you really think we, as parents, are stupid enough to just hand our kids over without knowing a lot about these programs and others who have been through them? Do you really think our kids are two year olds who can not communicate abuse to us? Many of our kids have been home for a year or two now, and we have NO reports of any abuse. Yep-there were lots of consequences for breaking rules. Some of these seemed silly. Lessons were learned from most of them. These are kids who are now in college, in many cases. It hink they could figure out if they had been abused.
You are a moron.
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