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« Reply #60 on: August 15, 2003, 07:49:00 PM »
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On 2003-08-15 16:00:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Dace wasn't actually lying. He may not have been forthcoming with the connection, though.   High Impact was not a part of WWASPS - yes I've researched this info somewhat.  The connection was former employees of Casa by the Sea that started it and was an alternative - a boot camp - to motivate kids that weren't working at their WWASP school.  Some of the schools referred kids there with the parent's agreement.  There were many other students that were there that were not affiliated with WWASP.  Since I wasn't there, I'm only reporting what I've read away from the WWASP reports.  "


I found the newspaper article. It is from the Rocky Mountain News:
Lou Kilzer
News Staff Writer

Mexican officials have removed a 14-year-old Colorado girl and seven other teens from a compound connected to Utah-based Teen Help, the latest in a series of crackdowns on the organization.

Child welfare workers found the conditions deplorable at the High Impact locked compound near Tecate in Baja California, Mexico, according to authorities at the United States Consulate in Tijuana.
``They were all extremely dirty,'' consulate spokesman Clint Wright said of the teens living there. ``Some of the kids had calluses and blisters on their feet from being made to do a lot of laps around the place without wearing proper shoes.''

He said the teens were forced to lie on their stomachs, with their chins on the ground, for hours at a time.

Mexican authorities said they found that tents had blown down and children had been forced to sleep in bathrooms, according to U.S. diplomats.

The Colorado girl complained of blisters and a sunburn, officials said. They would release no details about the girl, who was one of the last to leave High Impact.

The Teen Help organization offers services to parents of troubled children. The parents often attend rigorous psychological encounter sessions, while their children are sent to behavior modification camps in the United States and overseas.

Some mental health professionals have described some of the techniques in the adult seminars and at the compounds as ``coercive persuasion.''

Parents often pay more than $3,000 a month for tuition. A typical stay can last 18 months or longer.

Parents said High Impact is an integral part of the Teen Help empire - a place to send kids who are ``not working the program.''

Officials first inspected the High Impact facility Dec. 5. The World Wide Association of Specialty Schools - an umbrella group for many Teen Help-related programs - immediately began withdrawing its clients from High Impact. When the compound was revisited on Dec. 8, eight remained. WWASP said one of the eight had come from its program.

The teens were taken into protective custody, according to the consulate. Allegations of unsanitary conditions at High Impact are untrue, said Ken Kay, head of the WWASP. ``I mean, it was the cleanest place I ever saw,'' he said.

But Chris Goodwin of San Francisco said his son was forced to stay outside in his underpants for three nights, lying on his stomach with his chin on the ground. If he moved to try to brush off fire ants that roamed over him, he was threatened with a cattle prod, said Goodwin. The punishment left scars on his son's chin, he said.

The Utah organization tried last week to distance itself from High Impact. Kay said the only association WWASP had with High Impact was that it occasionally sent children there. ``I know you probably think I'm playing dumb,'' said Kay. ``And that's good, because I probably am dumb.''

Records suggest that WWASP has a closer relation to High Impact. High Impact's Web page is on a Web service called parentresources.net. That site advertises Teen Help and WWASP programs, and its phone number connects to Teen Help in Utah. The person who manages the Web site has managed Teen Help.

High Impact's billing is controlled by R&B Billing, a company owned by Robert Lichfield in Utah, according to records obtained by the News. Lichfield created the Teen Help programs.

Payments to WWASP and High Impact have the same St. George, Utah, mailing address. And parent identification codes remain the same when a child goes from a WWASP program to High Impact, and vice versa, according to internal records.

Though the facilities are owned by various individuals, the money first passes through Lichfield's concerns in southern Utah, where most of it remains, Kay told the News.

But Dace Goulding, who runs Casa by the Sea, a WWASP program in Ensanada, Mexico, said he doesn't know of any relationship between High Impact and WWASP. He also said he had no knowledge of teens from Casa by the Sea going to High Impact.

That was news to Goodwin. He said that after his son was having troubles at Casa, Goulding called and told him to send his son to High Impact. He said Goulding sold it to him as a camping experience.

What his son found, instead, was ``torture,'' according to Goodwin. After his son and another boy got into a fight, the staff beat both and then put them in the High Impact position, he said.

``They were flat on their stomachs, hands behind their back as if they're handcuffed, chin out straight, resting on the ground. My kid said he stayed like that in a pool of blood all night long on the first night. They were freezing their butts off.''

Goodwin said his son spent three nights in the High Impact position.

Goulding said he didn't know Chris Goodwin or his son.

Stephanie Hecker of Kansas City said her son experienced the same treatment.

High Impact isn't the first Teen Help-related program to run into trouble with authorities.

* A compound near Cancun, Mexico, was closed after a newspaper reported child abuse allegations.

* Police in the Czech Republic closed WWASP's Morava Academy, again citing abuse allegations. Police alleged kids were sometimes isolated, denied food and handcuffed.

* A Teen Help psychiatric hospital in St. George was shut following an investigation into an abuse complaint.

* A WWASP program in Western Samoa closed after American diplomats received what they called ``credible'' allegations of abuse.

* And last Monday, child welfare officials made an unannounced visit to Casa by the Sea, removing five children for private interviews.

Goulding, the director of the program, said he was unaware of the event. But Kay was.

``I just can't believe that they came in . . . with armed federales, removed five of the kids without the parents' permission or anything, and took them off to question them, and then brought them back,'' said Kay. ``The mayor of Ensanada is highly incensed.''

Of the Rocky Mountain News, which has raised questions about the program in recent years, Goulding said: ``Because of the work that you do, Casa by the Sea is thriving. I was going to send you a thank-you letter for that.''

He hung up the phone after telling a reporter: ``Please don't call me. I'll call you.''


Reread this paragraph. It is what I was referring to:

But Dace Goulding, who runs Casa by the Sea, a WWASP program in Ensanada, Mexico, said he doesn't know of any relationship between High Impact and WWASP. He also said he had no knowledge of teens from Casa by the Sea going to High Impact.


I know that WWASP denied affiliation with HI and you can believe that if you choose. I think there is plenty of reason to question that. But stating that he had no knowledge of teens from Casa going to HI is a lie.


You may also want to check this article out from Lon Woodbury's site in August of 01.

http://www.strugglingteens.com/archives/2001/8/np4.html

Judy
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« Reply #61 on: August 15, 2003, 08:14:00 PM »
What's all this OLD news, yes newspaper articles that only tell one biased site, have to do with anything current and proven?  Judy, you remind me of another one of PURE's flunkies.  How'd that happen?  The only proven thing on this particular thread is what Sue Scheff and her supporters are doing to get business.  She must be grasping at straws right about now from what I'm seeing you guys post here.  But, if you want to latch on to newspaper articles, that's your business.  Whatever fills your heart.
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« Reply #62 on: August 15, 2003, 08:24:00 PM »
I'm not the one who brought up HI, but I was around then and happen to have some first-hand info.

I know it's old news. Why does that matter?  It only shows that there is a history here and recent history shows that there are still the same concerns.


It's clear that you have no real response to all of this by the way you changed the subject. So I will address this one time (only). I have no association with PURE and I don't intend to ever have any contact with them. Just my personal choice.
 
And yeah, I will "latch on to" newspaper reports, books, magazines, etc. I think this is how one educates themselves. I will also use my own common sense to reach obvious conclusions.

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« Reply #63 on: August 16, 2003, 02:15:00 AM »
No connection? This seems to be their MO. Present the individual programs as independent, while all the money is going into the same pot.
Deborah

http://www.strugglingteens.com/archives/2001/8/np4.html
Aug 2001 HIGH IMPACT BOOT CAMP Baja California, Mexico
Dwayne Lee, Admissions Coordinator ? Parent Resources Hotline
Hurricane, Utah 800-793-5156
[I called their web site number to ask some questions about the Parent Resources Hotline, identifying myself as an educational consultant. The person answering the phone informed me he was only authorized to send a packet of information and did not answer any of my questions. The packet I received included a photocopy of a letter from Dwayne Lee of Parent Resources Hotline, a Sample Daily Schedule for WWASP Programs, a brochure for High Impact, a Video Tape and a brochure for the World Wide Association of Specialty Programs: Casa by the Sea, Carolina Springs Academy, Cross Creek Academy, Spring Creek Lodge and Tranquility Bay. Apparently Parent Resources Hotline exclusively markets High Impact and WWASP programs.-Lon]

The audiotape sent with the promotional packet consisted of a number of testimonials by parents and ex-students, mostly, however, apparently referring to the long-term WWASP programs rather than High Impact. A price list was included for the various WWASP programs, but none for High Impact.
***************************

And the HI website. There is no link to "About Us". No mention of staff, who they are, or anything... all that's there is a little about HI and links to all the WWASP programs.
http://www.parentresources.net/bootcamp ... tCamp.html

28 Day High Impact Program
90 Day Boot Camp
Tranquility Bay
Renowned Specialty Boarding Schools
Casa by the Sea
Carolina Springs Academy
Spring Creek Lodge
Cross Creek Manor
Streaming Videos
Parent Resource Video
World Wide Association Video
Parent Resource Booklets
How to deal with defient teens
How to tell if your teen is using drugs
Copyright © 2001 Parent Recources Hotline
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« Reply #64 on: August 24, 2003, 02:43:00 PM »
Deborah - you said you called and identified yourself as an educational consultant?   :???:
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« Reply #65 on: August 24, 2003, 03:03:00 PM »
Re: High Impact

I'm sure Deborah did not mean to infer that it was she who made the phone call when in fact, it was Lon Woodbury who called and wrote about his findings.
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« Reply #66 on: August 24, 2003, 07:50:00 PM »
***Deborah - you said you called and identified yourself as an educational consultant?  


Jeez, and you program parents think your kids have ADD/ODD.. and spend thousands warehouse them for it?  
I hate psych lables, which I believe to be fraudulent... but if the phoe shits....
Your defensive stance is interfering with what little attention and intellegence you might possess.

Deborah
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« Reply #67 on: August 24, 2003, 11:49:00 PM »
Deborah - Haven't you identified yourself as a program parent?  Which program?
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« Reply #68 on: August 25, 2003, 12:55:00 AM »
Deborah has stated that her sons were enrolled in a program (not WWASPS) in Georgia against her wishes.  Instead of the high academics promised, it turned out very bad...like WWASPS.

Instead of continually asking for information when you just bop onto this forum, you can search and do your own legwork.  On the left-hand margin is a "Search WWF" line.  Click on it and enter Deborah's name, and you will be able to do your own research without using bandwidth for us to do it for you.
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« Reply #69 on: August 25, 2003, 01:21:00 AM »
Sure - I've got time to sift through 229 posts.  Actually, She has never mentioned the programs her sons were in.  Now, from her postings, I can see where HIGH ACADEMICS would be important to HER, but my guess is that's not the purpose they were admitted.  WWASPS has a great academic program for those that choose to work it.  They aren't gonna do it for the kids.  If it has to look a certain way to apease the parents, then it won't.  It's much like homeschooling since they have several different grade levels, say in a history class, and are able to go as fast or slow as they wish.  All the credits do transfer, at least my kids did and he caught up to grade level prior to program graduation.  Obviously if you had experience of wwasps you'd know that is how it is. Or, if you admitted your kid for strictly academic reasons, you aren't being honest as these are not traditional boarding schools.

Uh..I guess the PURE folks want you to believe otherwise? Isn't that what this thread is about?
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« Reply #70 on: August 25, 2003, 01:55:00 AM »
Deborah may have no experience of wwasp but I do and I can assure you their academic program is nothing like homeschooling. I do not know of any homeschooling situation where a child is given an algebra book and nothing else for 6 hours a day, every day and is not allowed to take another course until he has finished that one. I also know of no home school situation where a child cannot ask a question or get any assistance when needed. That is the reality of the "academic" program at TB.

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« Reply #71 on: August 25, 2003, 03:08:00 AM »
ACTUALLY, there has been a death in the hands of wwasp! It was at TRANQUILITY BAY!

The only living proof of the so called "graduates" is the successful brainwashing methods they fell into while being in the hands of wwasp.

wwasp is bein sued. Every victim's story of wwasp matches. Another one of wwasps facility's was just shut down a few months ago while the owner was arrested.

Do your own research on wwasp, because if you put 2 and 2 together then you get what the world is about to see about wwasp.

However, they can offer you services.
That is if you want to pay a couple thousand dollars a month to have your kid illegally incarcerated while they lie to his or her parents while the kid is forced into submission into believing there brainwashing methods. There is no way around there beliefs, they are right no matter what and if you dont like it then it looks like your kid is in for a beating.

Thats the beauty of personal opionion's, thank you board.
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« Reply #72 on: August 25, 2003, 10:51:00 AM »
WWASP has a great academic program??? WHERE???

NOT AT CASA BY THE SEA (or any of their other institutions that I've ever heard of).

Their so-called "schools' are advertised as accredited by the Northwest Association of Schools and Colleges.  However,  that type of  "accreditation"  is the same as any university-based "distance education" course gets.  

For example,  you can contact UC-Berkeley,  University of Nevada, or University of Arizona (and undoubtedly, many others near you), and for between $150 - 300 or so per course,  get a workbook,  text and lesson plan.  Work through the assignments,  pass the final exams and you get high school credit. (Sound familiar?)  These credits are accepted pretty much anywhere.  Why? -- because the university based distance education courses ("home schooling", if you prefer) are FULLY ACCREDITED BY THE NORTHWEST ASSOCIATION OF SCHOOLS AND COLLEGES.

Since the rule of thumb for WWASP schools is apparently 2 years of school for one year of high school credit,  you can get the same accredited education for even LESS than the cost of their third world gulags.  This leaves a lot left over to find real help for your child to the extent necessary.


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« Reply #73 on: August 25, 2003, 01:46:00 PM »
Scott, what you suggest for a classroom with students ranging from 8th-12th grades? The "teachers" may be there to answer questions as in homeschooling, however, I see where the challenge would be in teaching a class for many different grades.  Again, I personally don't see where the education part of the stay is the primary reason for them being there.  If your child was admitted for academic reasons only, wouldn't a traditional boarding school have served the purpose much better?  At least they have an academic program - Do many state or insurance funded treatment options have NO educational options for behavioral issue admissions?  Don't the WWASP programs have high school graduations for students graduating their program?  I've seen many in their magazine with many continuing on to college.

What were you told?
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« Reply #74 on: August 25, 2003, 07:40:00 PM »
Begging the pardon of the honorable anonymous poster, but MY intentions in sending my child to Casa are not germane to this discussion.  This exchange pertains to the misleading characterization of WWASP-style academics.

The previous "anonymous" poster made the point that the WWASPs have a "great" academic program.  I merely beg to differ -- a correspondence school class may be an "adequate"
program,  but surely one must have higher expectations of a "great" program than leaving the kid to go thru a workbook without the assistance of qualified teachers.   Is not an adequate correspondence class costing a few hundred dollars a superior value to a pretty much identical correspondence course costing thousands of dollars per month?

Moreover,  as far as what I was told about the educational programs,  again please forgive me,  but I recall that the name of the organization here at issue the "World Wide Association of Specialty SCHOOLS and Programs"?  The self-laudatory appellation of  "SCHOOL"  is something they (mis)-appropriated to their own use.  It sure didn't come from me!      

If WWASPs wants to call their institutions   "SCHOOLS" --and their advertising and promotional materials certainly hold them out as purported "schools" -- then they should have those attributes that people reasonably expect schools to have (eg., teachers with at least minimal competency).  LET THEM GET LICENSED AND REGULATED AS SCHOOLS.

If they want to call their institutions some kind of a therapeutic programs,  THEN LET THEM GET LICENSED AND REGULATED AS MENTAL HEALTH PROGRAMS.  (Oh wait,  they tried that with their Brightway program, but it kinda flunked out.  I guess not having teachers made their vocabulary skills a little weak -- they can't decide on what name accurately describes what they do).


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