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« Reply #45 on: August 11, 2003, 02:13:00 AM »
Hello:  I just have to share this with you all.  Several months ago I was looking for a wake up call for my 16 year old.  I called several places looking for help.  I talked to a very nice lady at Cross Creek Programs who told me that she didn't see the issues being serious enough for a long term program.  She didn't send me anything other than what she said she would, a packet with a video and brochures.  She said to call her if things began to escalate.  End of story.   I happened upon PURE and spoke to a Ms. Peart.  WHOLE different story there. Not only did she recommend a VERY expensive boot camp, but she told me all about WWASP, as I had shared I talked with someone at one of their schools.  She made sure I knew about this website and all the newspaper articles.  It actually didn't make any sense to me and I didn't look here until tonight.  I know that the lady i spoke with at Cross Creek had my best interests at heart, not my pocketbook and numbers. She even referred me to the wilderness program my son just returned from.  He is doing great, however, I know about the honeymoon period and am keeping a close eye on any changes.  Hopefully I won't ever need them again.  I was looking through some of my old papers and saw the info Ms. Peart gave me, and I decided to take a look.  I don't care about the badmouthing about WWASPS, I know nobody is always going to be 100% happy.  What I do care about, at least for the moment, is the way this PURE organization is hurting families by taking their money and offering help that is less than effective AND is based on lies.  Like I said in the other thread.  I will never call them again, for any reason.  Maybe they'll get exactly what they deserve.  

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« Reply #46 on: August 11, 2003, 03:12:00 AM »
There is a short-term paramilitary style program in Arizona called Reality Ranch. Is this the boot camp you are talking about?
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« Reply #47 on: August 11, 2003, 12:11:00 PM »
WWASP and PURE probably deserve each other like Hitler and Stalin
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« Reply #48 on: August 11, 2003, 01:15:00 PM »
[ This Message was edited by: KarenZ on 2003-10-17 15:21 ]
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« Reply #49 on: August 12, 2003, 04:50:00 PM »
Karen: I sent an e-mail to the educational options site.  The response on why Cross Creek got a one star was. "They are part of an organization called WWASPS. Please do some research on them."  That was it.

Clearly when educational consultants are paid by a particular school or organization for their services, they give them a low/one star rating.  

I don't see where it is unbiased in any way shape or form. The schools they give a high rating lack much of what most families need, but their may be a fee they just can't resist to refer to them.
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« Reply #50 on: August 12, 2003, 04:55:00 PM »
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On 2003-08-06 22:17:00, Anonymous wrote:

""Once your registration has been processed by the PACER Service Center, a login and password will be sent by U.S. mail to the address provided on the registration form. For security reasons, logins and passwords can not be emailed, faxed, or given over the phone."



Oh, that's funny!  This will buy you some time - snail mail unless I want to pay FED EX charges to get the login/password overnighted.  Why don't YOU just cut and paste this and save everyone some precious time.  Doubt it is much different than the original above.



All I can say PURE... :wave:  is IT's NOT WORKING, STILL!!! "


Still awaiting PURE's response and the full court document -
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« Reply #51 on: August 13, 2003, 06:17:00 PM »
Still interested, pacer ID has yet to come after registration.  Actually, it probably isn't relevant??  Still don't see it on PURE's site and if it were FAVORABLE, it would be.  Just another smoke screen??  PURE reps, please scan and post. Thank you.
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« Reply #52 on: August 14, 2003, 01:44:00 AM »
HELLO - is anybody in there?  Are ya stupid or what?  It doesn't EXIST!! The original is all there is.

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« Reply #53 on: August 14, 2003, 08:48:00 PM »
Karen - Your statement about Nona on page 3 IS very strange.  Nona is simply the financial resources person, not in admissions or with Dundee.

In one sentence you said Nona suggested that you wouldn't want to be involved with PURE.  You never even heard of PURE?  Did she just pull that out of her ass?

Very, very weird considering your child hadn't been at Dundee for months. And, very weird that  Nona went to all the trouble of e-mailing AND fed exing this for no reason and didn't respond when you asked her why.

Is your child in another program now?
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« Reply #54 on: August 14, 2003, 09:19:00 PM »
Wynonna Messing was represented to me as the contact person for inquiries about my grandaughter's placement when she first was sent to Casa by the Sea.  I called the St. George telephone number (not the 800 number) every day for 5 days, and was told Ms. Messing, as admissions coordinator, would be returning my call.  She did not.  I finally "caught" her by calling at 7:00PM one evening, and the receptionist answering the phone at that late hour put me through to Ms. Messing.  Ms. Messing was flustered and somewhat frantically shuffling papers and using her computer as I asked where my grandaughter physically was and how I could contact her (silly me).  The upshot was that Ms. Messing could not find her or her paperwork...to which I reacted with an expletive-deleted.  Ms. Messing gained enough composure to coldly inform me that all communication was to go only through the parent.

During this conversation, I also inquired after the landmarks which delineate levels, i.e., how was my grandaughter, who had told me by phone 2 days before leaving that she was going to "book it" through this place, going to progress.  I was told that it was purely her choice to move up.  (Hhhmmm, first encounter with WWASPS-speak.)  When I inquired if there was a Parents' Manual with rules, I was told by Ms. Messing that there was no such document.  This non-existant Parents' Manual is available in Adobe Acrobat Reader form on the WWASP website.  

So much for my first venture into honesty, integrity, accountability.  

Ms. Messing definitely IS NOT only a financial officer of WWASPS.  She is a young-ish (late 20's, I would guess) bureaucrat, snippy, fully schooled in the hidden agenda of WWASPS, and a full-out liar as well.  Having known about Karen's FedEx package for some time now, I am convinced that this little bitch was perfectly capable of sending it out.
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« Reply #55 on: August 14, 2003, 09:34:00 PM »
The previous poster wrote:
Ms. Messing gained enough composure to coldly inform me that all communication was to go only through the parent.

All the programs have this down to a science. Can you imagine the headache they would have trying to brainwash not just the parents, but the grands as well. Their numbers would drop dramatically.

My mom saw my son twice during the 22 months. Once at my dad's funeral, which took an act of congress to get him to. The other was a brief holiday visit late in the program. He was never allowed to call her or anyone else in the family.
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« Reply #56 on: August 14, 2003, 09:50:00 PM »
[ This Message was edited by: KarenZ on 2003-10-17 15:23 ]
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« Reply #57 on: August 15, 2003, 03:49:00 PM »
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"Thanks Sue *****? or one of your alter egos for your input - it won't fly anymore.  High Impact was not wwasp, Sunrise was not wwasp and Brightway hospital was an assessment facility. Keep on trying - maybe others will believe the lies made to look like "facts," but I don't.  "


My child was at TB when High Impact was still open. Postings about referrals from the program (especially Casa and TB) to High Impact were very common on the BBS at that time. In fact, Jay Kay suggested that my child be sent there. Instead I brought him home and within a week of our return home HI was closed. Many parents were immediately defensive and HI and told their stories of how wonderful it was for their children. Within a few days Dace Goulding was quoted in an article (I think it was in a San Deigo newspaper) stating emphatically that there was no connection between Casa and HI. Knowing that was such a blatant lie I was amazed that no Casa parent on the BBS commented on that statement. That was my wake up call.

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« Reply #58 on: August 15, 2003, 06:26:00 PM »
Karen, wasn't your son referred to another program by PURE?
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« Reply #59 on: August 15, 2003, 07:00:00 PM »
Dace wasn't actually lying. He may not have been forthcoming with the connection, though.   High Impact was not a part of WWASPS - yes I've researched this info somewhat.  The connection was former employees of Casa by the Sea that started it and was an alternative - a boot camp - to motivate kids that weren't working at their WWASP school.  Some of the schools referred kids there with the parent's agreement.  There were many other students that were there that were not affiliated with WWASP.  Since I wasn't there, I'm only reporting what I've read away from the WWASP reports.
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