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« on: August 06, 2003, 04:06:00 PM »
http://www.purerebuttal.com/

I agree that Carey has had some issues lately, but after reading the court documents WWASP vs. PURE, she may not be entirely off the planet in what she is saying.  I'm listening.
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« Reply #1 on: August 06, 2003, 04:19:00 PM »
There have been 6345 students enrolled in a wwasp program since 1999.  There have been no deaths, beatings, abuse cases proven.  They had a school in Samoa that closed - their choice, no abuse was ever proven despite a 48 hours inquiry in 1999.  They closed over a year after that show ran.  Why they had a program in the Czech Republic is beyond me, but knowing the government over there, they were wise to have already started the closure prior to the invasion by the local government.  It is common knowledge that Dundee Ranch was closed temporarily after a local official burst in telling the kids they didn't have to stay, the damage was uncontrollable as staff were forbidden to intervene.  Yes, I'm defending wwasp.  I am living proof that it works.  I'm glad to see that the whole fiasco on this web site is being exposed for what it really is.
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« Reply #2 on: August 06, 2003, 05:15:00 PM »
How many legitimate, high quality programs to treat kids have one facility closed after an investigation? Perhaps, extremely rarely, you get one that has a bad apple and doesn't deal with it properly and it gets shut.

How many have two?  OK, odds are low, but you know, it could happen.

Three?  Well, one in a million, but still, in the realm of possibility.

WWASP has had Samoa, Czech Republic, Dundee, Brightway Hospital (Utah), High Impact in Mexico and Sunrise (I think, I might have this name wrong) in Mexico shut down, all following allegations of abuse and/or fraud.  That's six.

That's not smoke, that's a gargantuan inferno.

When you *also* have hundreds of kids from dozens of facilities (many who have never met each other or emailed or anything) reporting similar tales of abuse, you have to be stark raving mad to submit your child to these same perpetrators.

If you think the program saved your kid, ask yourself:  how do I know this?  Did I send his identical twin elsewhere or leave him alone entirely and his identical twin OD'd and died?  No, you have no control group and no way of knowing if your kid would have outgrown his juvenile behavior the way 99% of all kids do.

Do you know what proportion of teenagers die of drugs and drink?  It's far less than the number who die in non-alcohol car accidents, which is still only .001 percent of the teen population.  The average American life expectancy is nearly 80.
This couldn't be if teen drug and drink deaths were common.  The WWASP folks are using bogus statistics and scare stories to frighten you into buying something that *does* have a good chance of harming your child severely.  

Why take that risk when there are other lower risk ways of helping that actually *do* have research evidence to support them?

Would you make the same decision if your kid had cancer-- let's believe the people who have only testimonials to support their treatment, not the docs at Sloan Kettering or Duke or Harvard?
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« Reply #3 on: August 06, 2003, 05:26:00 PM »
Thanks Sue *****? or one of your alter egos for your input - it won't fly anymore.  High Impact was not wwasp, Sunrise was not wwasp and Brightway hospital was an assessment facility. Keep on trying - maybe others will believe the lies made to look like "facts," but I don't.
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« Reply #4 on: August 06, 2003, 06:36:00 PM »
Brightway was an assessment facility which was shut down following an investigation by the state *because* it only referred people to WWASP-- it wasn't a legitimate assessment facility because kids are sent to WWASP without any legit psychiatric diagnosis.  Sure, WWASP shut it once the writing was on the wall that if they didn't, the state would, but that doesn't make it any better or any less connected.  Drug dealers move their operations around when the DEA is onto them too-- doesn't mean they aren't dealing drugs!

High Impact was directly connected to WWASP and there are lots of documents to prove that.

If High Impact *wasn't* connected to WWASP, why did WWASP try to build a High Impact facility in Costa Rica?

And btw, I have nothing whatsoever to do with Sue.

You are so far off as to who I am it is laughable.
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« Reply #5 on: August 06, 2003, 06:43:00 PM »
Oh, I believe it.
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« Reply #6 on: August 06, 2003, 06:54:00 PM »
I THINK IT IS PAINFULLY OBVIOUS SINCE CAREY DIDNT GET THE GOODBYE SHE WANTED, SHE IS NOW ONE OF US, ANON!

NO ONE HERE CARES ABOUT PURE OR SUE, IT IS CAREYS OBESSION. WE ARE ALL AGAINST WWASPS/TEEN HELP AND THE MISREPRESENTATION AND ABUSE THAT MANY SUFFERED. LAST I CHECKED IT SIAD TEEN HELP INDUSTRY NOT PURE INDUSTRY.

CAREY, GET A LIFE PLEASE. TAKE YOUR ISSUES WITH PURE AND SUE TO THEM DIRECTLY NOT HERE.  BTW; THAT PURE REBUTTAL IS OLD NEWS.  MOVE ON.
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« Reply #7 on: August 06, 2003, 07:23:00 PM »
so lets see now,  6345 WWASP students? 98 percent satisfaction rate? Hmmm, lets do some math.

At our Discovery seminar,  the facilitator told us that "based on their surveys"  less than 5% of the kids left the program for financial reasons.  THat means that of the people who pull their kids,  an overwhelming 95% are dissatisfied for reasons other than cost.

We also hear that less than 30 percent of enrollees actually  graduate. (I'm unclear whether that includes kid who leave because they reach the age of majority.  Of course,  with sufficient brainwashing,  some parents can be convinced that they can coerce a child to stay beyond their 18th birthday)

Working the numbers,  70 percent of parents pull out before graduation,  and 95 percent of them pull for reasons other than cost,  that certainly suggests that the program has (at least) a dissatisfaction rate of approximately 66.5 percent.

Take heart!!! 2 out of 3 parents get it, eventually.
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« Reply #8 on: August 06, 2003, 08:43:00 PM »
This is PURE and simple - PURE, and the cohorts are posting their propaganda here yet again! It's SO OBVIOUS!!  Try another forum where someone, just might, maybe?? Believe you!!
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« Reply #9 on: August 06, 2003, 09:07:00 PM »
If PURE were posting these attacks on WWASP, don't you think they would be saying, WWASP does X, but my fabulous programs don't!!!  Call me at 800-XXX-XXXX and I'll sign you up for a small fee!!!

Or WWASP has an X % success rate, but ours have an X+10% success rate?

What the people here are saying is that humiliating and degrading tactics used by WWASP, Straight, Boot Camps, Wilderness Programs, "emotional growth" and "behavioral modification" programs *of any kind and pushed by anyone including WWASP, Pure, Straight, KIDS, etc. etc.* are not only inhumane but dangerous and hurtful and far less successful than proven alternatives.

Any program that uses "escorts" is suspect.
Any program that cuts kids off from communication with parents is suspect.
Any program that tells parents to disbelieve their childrens' reports of abuse or bad conditions is suspect because it means that genuine abuse is impossible to report and therefore allows the program to get away with whatever it chooses.
Any program that takes kids without an independent evaluation is suspect.
Any program that takes kids inpatient for smoking pot and drinking (short of diagnosed DSM alcohol *dependence*) is suspect.
Any program that takes kids sheerly because their parents want them taken is suspect:  what if the parents are abusive themselves and just want rid of their kids?
Any program that doesn't allow teenagers to look at members of the opposite sex is suspect-- such an extreme level of control suggests that the program's motivation is to "break" people and make them compliant, not to help them change and grow.
Any program that uses brutal verbal attacks to "shoot down" kids' "street image" and uses "confrontation" is suspect.
Any program that doesn't use "the least restrictive option" first is suspect.

Any programs still standing?  Not many, and so I don't think this post comes from PURE.
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« Reply #10 on: August 06, 2003, 09:13:00 PM »
PURE has posted their website link a lot, just not lately.

As for the SUSPECT stuff - Obviously you've never had a teen in crisis.  I have.  The things you call suspect are for a GOOD reason.  If you're interested, I can share the WHY's.  

PURE uses this "tactic" to make parents think there's something WRONG with this approach.  Sounds like you're another PURE poster!!  Ain't gonna work - again.
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« Reply #11 on: August 06, 2003, 09:23:00 PM »
[ This Message was edited by: KarenZ on 2003-10-17 15:13 ]
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« Reply #12 on: August 06, 2003, 10:00:00 PM »
Karen Z., have you read the FULL COMPLAINT against PURE?  Has anyone?  

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« Reply #13 on: August 06, 2003, 10:08:00 PM »
So Carey is posting ANON?  Did she all of a sudden learn to spell?  hehehehe  :eek:
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« Reply #14 on: August 06, 2003, 10:27:00 PM »
THE FULL COMPLAINT IS BOGUS. IT IS WWASPS LAME ATTEMPT TO DISCREDIT PEOPLE AND SILENCE THEM. ARE YOU A LAWYER? ANY LAWYER WILL TELL YOU IT IS A COMPLETELY FRIVILOUS COMPLAINT IN A SORRY ATTEMPT TO SILENCE PEOPLE.  TOO BAD IT ISNT WORKING.  AGAIN, IT IS OLD NEWS. VERY OLD.
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