Cedu ruined good music

[Anonymous]

ANON, you should give it up. This girl is at least ten times smarter than you are.

[Anonymous]

Nope, I know Shanlea, and she's at least 20 times smarter than this guy.  This guy is seriously scary.  Its scary to think there's people like him in this world.  Very sad indeed.

[Anonymous]

Bravo Shanlea,you really kicked this anon bully's ass!

[Anonymous]

Shanlee--this wouldn't be you posting anonymously about how smart you are, would it?

Anyway it's very funny.  Many things worry me in this world--that I'm not as smart as your typical fornit's rat is absolutely not one of them

[shanlea]

No, honey, I was actually wondering if the other anons were you wrestling with your better half (if you have one.)

[Anonymous]

Don't "honey" me, you silly slut---why don't you just go pop out another kid by yet another guy who shows the good sense not to marry you... isn't that your pattern, that's what I hear at least

As to the "great" relationship you've got with your parents: guess it wasn't always so, I mean no parent wants to lock their kid up somewhere for years of their adolesence, it's a last resort...who knows how it really is now between you and your mom and dad

None of this matters to me much though, I'm here to keep an eye of the collective antics of the fornits rats (you're one) who bully and slander other people and programs

Stay tuned when you do so

[Anonymous]

you know, my point (this is another anon) is that I think it is reprehensible to name people on this site.  Rodney can slam me for who knows what, and criticize me for not sharing my experiences, I don't really care.  Thing is, I am a parent, I know my child's CEDU experience, and that is his/hers to share.  And no, I am not Ottawa.

[shanlea]

Well, buddy. First you say I'm a whiner, even though I have never said Cedu ruined my life; I've simply listed facts on why it is an ineffectual, abusive program.  Second,I have not had children out of wedlock, or behaved promiscuously in any way. Third, I don't do any drugs, and drink minimally. So your "druggy" tag is hilarious.  I don't really need to defend my relationship with my parents.  I am very fortunate to have had an exceptional relationship with them for many, many years.

Even though my other posts have displayed rational intellect, without bullying, you consistently label me a slut and druggie, which makes YOU the bully and liar.

You keep asserting you are here to put down bullies, and yet, you bully and slander people who are sincere.  You still haven't explained your ties to the program or the benefits in a concrete fashion.  I have been very methodical of my criticism.  I actually would welcome any rational discourse favoring the program.

So far, your style supports the idea that CEDU favors abusive confrontation tactics.  There is nothing in your letter to indicate any type of emotional growth that CEDU supposedly promotes.  Thus, you are a poor choice to speak on its behalf.  

And as for you claim you are defending people from bullies? You can't defend people from bullies when you've become one.

I am a loving, good mother to two children.  I couldn't fathom calling another mother a slut, druggie, and loser for any reason, specifically since it is not true. I certainly hope you don't speak to your own mother this way or any women in your life.

[Anonymous]

okay, PLEASE understand that there are several anons posting here.  I am not the anon who is accusing you, Shanlea, of being a bad mother, druggie, etc.

[Son Of Serbia]

On 2005-06-03 18:48:00, Anonymous wrote:

"you know, my point (this is another anon) is that I think it is reprehensible to name people on this site.  Rodney can slam me for who knows what, and criticize me for not sharing my experiences, I don't really care.  Thing is, I am a parent, I know my child's CEDU experience, and that is his/hers to share.  And no, I am not Ottawa.



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To the alledged Anon Parent:  It is indeed reprehensible to name people, if your intention is to knowingly tell lies and slander them.  I've never done this.  Yes, I've named many people here, especially Cedu Staff, and I've shared what I know of them....Their "Cop Outs" so the speak. Lots of Pro-Cedu Sheep got pissed off at me for sharing that, but I really don't care.  I won't apologize for sharing information that I never wanted to know in the first place.

If Steve Laird did't want people knowing that he raped a 13 year girl, then he should never have told anyone.  

If Rudy Benz wants people to keep quiet about him killing a black man with his car, then he should've kept his mouth shut.

Jill Benz should've kept her hands to herself, instead of feeling me up along with many other adolescent boys.  Had she done that, then I wouldn't have said a thing.

If Guy Bonanno didn't want me calling him a Racist, then why did he call a girl in my peer group "Nigger" over and over and over again?
Guy reduced her to tears, and even after that he kept going.  Worst of all, Cedu made me sit there and watch it!

And I really didn't want to hear Russ Decker  tell us of his participation in gang rapes, or about lighting a homeless man on fire.  Why did any of us need to hear that?

I didn't want to know any of these things, but since I do, I'm not going to keep quiet about it.
Maybe you agree with the Dickless Anon, and you are outraged that I would post Cedu Staff "cop outs" on the web.  Too bad!  The fact is that most of the things these people were doing are not simply "cop outs", they are CRIMES.  

Many cedu supporters seem to believe that once one completes the Cedu program, they are automatically absolved from their past wrong doings, As if they never happened.  This attitude is as arrogant as it is bullshit.

So what if Rudy Benz finished the Cedu program, and then forced it on others for the next 20 years?!  It still doesn't change the fact that by his own admission, he's a killer, and that somewhere out there there's a family still waiting for justice to be done.

And right now, somewhere, there's a woman in her
early 30's who probably still suffers from the memory of being raped by Steve Laird when she was 13 years old.  Where is her justice?

So Anon "Parent" (if you really are one):  Maybe you really do find it reprehensible that I name names...but I don't care.  I'll continue naming cedu abusers, cedu victims, and I 'll keep sharing what I know.

 I noticed that you and The "Anon Bully Boy" (assuming that you really are 2 different people) insist on calling me "Rodney". Apparently you seek either to embarass me, to silence me, or perhaps to forward the Dickless One's
(Steve Arbour?)stated goal of "ruining my life."

Please feel free to continue bashing the name "Rodney Kovalic" as often as you like.  This is neither my real or legal name, and no harm wil come to me from your use of it.

I sincerely doubt that you're really the parent you claim to be.  Most likely you're Jackson Nash or another cedualumni.com loser, out here to lend support to your dickless friend talking shit.  

Anyways, who cares about who you are? It's not like you matter anyways.

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[ This Message was edited by: Son Of Serbia on 2005-06-06 04:34 ]

[shanlea]

Anon Parent.  For many, many years (15 to be exact), I never told my parents about what when on at CEDU.  The fact is that I know all of the staff members Serb speaks of, and he is telling the truth.  Could you imagine how scary it must be for a teenaged girl who has been raped to be in the same program RUN by staff members with these backgrounds? Don't you think it's a little creepy that normal teenaged behavior like smiling at the opposite sex could get you bans, dishes, and rap blasts, yet staff members would flirt with students, have us sit on their laps, pinch our butts, and worse?  Some students had affairs with staff members as soon as they graduated.  

What Serb and Idaho describes in his posts was the NORM for my entire duration at CEDU. How were we supposed to feel safe with the disclosures that staff made to us?  This violates every ethical boundary of therapy and also made us feel that our parents isolated us in a lion's den of miscreants.

I saw how staff manipulated parents with exaggerrated and manipulative stories about their children to perpetuate their incarceration.  Because we were isolated, monitored, and badgered, we just gave in... even adopting some of their scripts as our truth.

I never told my parents what really happened at CEDU because I was so affected by the environment of isolation and secrecy.  I never told a friend about it because I knew they would never understand a place of that freakish nature.  If my father ever went to a single rap or propheet he would have yanked me out immediately.  He would have seen three things: Staff were abusive, older students were trained bullies, and the environment of heavy handed coersion did not promote truthfulness OR healing.  

In fact, when I split 6 months later--which is totally against my nature as I was a chicken shit--my Dad was the one who championed my cause to stay home.  Apparently, his last parent conference there gave him the creeps with all the cult-like lingo and manipulation.

I didn't go to CEDU because I was a bad person. I didn't steal, always answered my parents truthfully, easily gave up recreational experimentation with drugs 5 months prior to CEDU (and never went back), and was not a danger to any person. (I hesitate to even offer this list as there are many great kids who have made these mistakes in and out of CEDU as part of growing up.) My problems were related to traumatic events, depression, and erratic academic performance compounded by a severe hearing impairment.  CEDU was not the place to meet any of these challenges.  

Honestly, CEDU was just a place to park your kid (it was registered as a group home but marketed as an emotional growth school) and lobotomize him at the hands of unqualified staff.

[Anonymous]

Didn't any of the adolescent boys who were "groped" by Jill Bentz ever file a legal charge against her?  Is this not sexual molestation?  The fact that the molestor was a woman and the victims were young men doesn't make it any less illegal.

[shanlea]

Let's face it, at CEDU, we did not exactly feel empowered to do anything.  First, who would believe a "troubled teen"? Especially since we all felt the omnipotence of CEDU as they twisted our lives around for their benefit.  (THere is nothing like the first shocking realization that CEDU could and would manipulate facts in raps or with parents to keep students in their place.)

Second, it is often perceived that a teenaged boy being groped by a grown woman is somehow less violating than a teenaged girl being groped by a grown man.  

Whatever the case, it was strange to be in an environment where the most innocent of flirtations between teen agers would be demonized while adult staff members had us in their laps or their hands on our butts.

[Anonymous]

I do think the parent who posted a while back had some good points, but some kind of nasty ones.

Cuz I´m pretty sure from what I know personally that these schools you all talk about here are not really all bad and I´m pretty sure that some, maybe a lot of people come out of them better than when they went in and with some good (not brain-washed) memories

Here´s just an observer´s way of looking at what happens in these forum discussions a lot of the time.

1)Somebody, often a frequent poster, makes a pretty strong maybe rude remark about somebody else´s comment.  Usually the ¨somebody else¨ has said something about getting past angst over a school or that some school isn´t all bad or something middle of the road like that.  The frequent poster type calls the other person mind-numberd or brain-washed, thereby disrespecting that person´s personal experience or observations

2)Then somebody anonymous comes in and defends the person who the frequent poster disrespected.

3)Then there´s an escalating name-calling back-and-forth between the anon and the frequent poster that doesn´t usually reflect well on either of them

Just my opinion, but if the frequent poster type didn´t go ballistic over the original poster´s comment about the school not being all bad or whatever, the whole cycle could be short-circuited and a number of people could avoid looking like real asses before the whole thing fizzles out

Just a thought, what do I know, maybe some of these people like looking like asses

[If u want to know..then a]

Well, for one, if you weren't trying to offend anyone anyone, maybe you shouldn't end your point with "Just a thought, what do I know, maybe some of these people like looking like asses".  I don't think anyone likes to look like an ass.  Actually, I have no clue why you would even say something like that.  I was reading your post and was agreeing with some of the things, and then you end it like that?  Come on now.  For some people; when you leave an institution of that sort, it doesn't matter what you learned it's the institution being alleviated out of their lives that hurts them.  That is why some people lash out on here.  This school and the outcome is really serious to people.  This website is DESIGNED for EVERYONE who has an opinion to be able to share it here.  Whether they look like "asses" or not, is strictly a judgment.