Why WWASP is so dangerous!!

[Anonymous]

This is a post I found while searching:

Post URL: http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... um=9#94864

She says her teen daughter has been diagnosed by a professional with suicidal ideations and auditory hallucinations; she cuts herself, her grades dropped in school and she doesn't take good care of her appearance (what teen does?). The mother then explains she found out that her daughter was sexually molested by her uncle.

If this poor girl was sent to a WWASP facility, she would end up much worse off when she came out. There is no doubt of this. Even if she completely feel in love with the ideology, (brainwashing?) that will fade over the years. This is why WWASP is so dangerous. At least this mother questioned these facilities. All too many just like her fall for the trap, thinking their teen is getting treatment. When in reality, their teen is being scared into complying. They will either come home a scared, obedient, programmed program kid; or they will never come home. They will stay until 18, and then be forced onto the streets. All in the name of treatment? This is bullshit.

The worst part of reading that post was some of the responses. Look at this particular response:

Post URL: http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... um=9#94869

There are thousands of people ready and willing to send others to a DAMNING FATE all for a little cash or some other reprehensible motive. It's disgusting. I hope karma catches up with these people.  :flame:

[001010]

http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... um=9#97869

Religious bondage shackles and debilitates the mind and unfits it for every noble enterprise.
--James Madison, U.S. President

[cherish wisdom]

WWASP is a tough love behavior modification program. It is not safe for seriously depressed children. Several have attempted or actually committed suicide in WWASP programs.  Their cruel, unloving approach is dangerous to those suffering from depression and will only make it worse.  

Everything in moderation, including moderation.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/external-search?tag=circlofmiamithem&keyword=mark+twain&mode=books' target='_new'>Mark Twain

[Invertix]

One would think forced behavior modification would be dangerous to ANYONE, not just the clinically depressed.

[Anonymous]

Tragedy at Montana school
by Ken Kay - President WWASP
435-656-2313

October 8, 2004

Spring Creek Lodge (SCL), the school for troubled teens close to Thompson Falls, MT, announced last night that a student had committed suicide at the school.

The identity of the girl and the exact manner of death are not being released at the request of the family.

?We are all in a state of complete shock,? said Chaffin Pullen, chief of operations at the school. ?Clearly we are deeply saddened by this event and are most of all devastated for the family.?

Pullen added that the girl, from Denver, CO, was under the supervision of a professional counselor and had also seen a psychiatrist since arriving at the school.

SCL was acutely aware of the girl?s fragility and had placed her on ?high risk? observation. She had recently been removed from ?high risk? after showing definite signs of improvement, a move that required the signatures of four SCL staff members who had direct contact with the girl, including the head of the school?s clinical mental health services.

Pullen said that he will be launching a detailed and immediate investigation into the events leading to the girl?s death. ?We will be making sure that this kind of tragedy cannot happen again,? he said.

SCL was arranging for grief counselors to attend to students at the school in the coming days.

The suicide was the first at SCL, which opened in 1996. Since the opening, more than 3,500 teens have attended SCL.

Ken Kay
President, WWASPS
321 No. Mall Dr. Bldg. T-101
St. George, Utah 84790

[plomly22]

The first time I was put on suicide watch was when my second therapist left. I never even said I was going to kill myself, all I said was hopefully I won't be here tomorrow, which the staff took as I'm going to kill myself. I was just wanted to run away. The next day I was put on silence, now if some would like to explaain the rationality of putting someone on suicide watch on silence that would be greatly appreciated. The first night the staff came in every three or four minutes and stared at me to make sure I was still breathing, let me tell you I didn't get much sleep that night.

[Anonymous]

My child was put on suicide watch because she told the six staff members - who were dogpiling her because she got up to go to the bathroom without permission - that they were killing her - because she could not breathe.

[Nihilanthic]

On 2005-04-29 09:20:00, cherish wisdom wrote:

"WWASP is a tough love behavior modification program. It is not safe for seriously depressed children. Several have attempted or actually committed suicide in WWASP programs.  Their cruel, unloving approach is dangerous to those suffering from depression and will only make it worse.  

Everything in moderation, including moderation.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/external-search?tag=circlofmiamithem&keyword=mark+twain&mode=books' target='_new'>Mark Twain

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Cherish - Its not safe for ANY children!  :eek:

I cannot see how a man of any large degree of humorous perception can ever be religious -- unless he purposely shut the eyes of his mind and keep them shut by force.
--Samuel Clemens "Mark Twain", American author and humorist

[Brown]

How can you say that they are not safe for any children?  I to Spring Creek.  And I know that I was safe there.  The whole time I was there, I can honestly say that there was no abuse to me or anyone that I knew.  

While I will not argue, 10 to 15 years ago these places were not safe.  I wasn't there.  I don't honestly know.  But if my expierence at Spring Creek was anything like the expierences at any of the other Schools, they are safe.

I was suffering from depression when I went into the program.  And while it is not ok that suicide attempts and even kids actually commiting suicide take place.  Those were the same kids, that were trying to kill themselves outside of these facilities.  Teenage suicide is a huge problem today.  Instead of arguing the merits of these schools, maybe more people should be focusing on a better way to help these kids.

[Anonymous]

On 2005-04-29 21:21:00, Brown wrote:

"How can you say that they are not safe for any children?  I to Spring Creek.  And I know that I was safe there.  The whole time I was there, I can honestly say that there was no abuse to me or anyone that I knew.  



While I will not argue, 10 to 15 years ago these places were not safe.  I wasn't there.  I don't honestly know.  But if my expierence at Spring Creek was anything like the expierences at any of the other Schools, they are safe.



I was suffering from depression when I went into the program.  And while it is not ok that suicide attempts and even kids actually commiting suicide take place.  Those were the same kids, that were trying to kill themselves outside of these facilities.  Teenage suicide is a huge problem today.  Instead of arguing the merits of these schools, maybe more people should be focusing on a better way to help these kids.  



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WWASPie bullshit. Spring Creek Lodge is a highly abusive program, like all the other WWASP gulags.

There is nothing safe about WWASP. There is nothing safe about being "cared" for by an bunch of untrained, underpaid rednecks/Mexicans/Jamaicans. There is nothing safe about the seminars, or their "group therapy". There is nothing safe about the constant physical abuse that is taking place in these places.

WWASP's program is designed to achieve one goal, and one goal only-- to destroy the child, so that the happy, well-adjusted, program-loving personality could be installed instead of the real, original self. That is all they do. Do not confuse this with help or treatment. It is murder.

[Anonymous]

On 2005-04-29 21:21:00, Brown wrote:

"How can you say that they are not safe for any children?  I to Spring Creek.  And I know that I was safe there.  The whole time I was there, I can honestly say that there was no abuse to me or anyone that I knew.  



While I will not argue, 10 to 15 years ago these places were not safe.  I wasn't there.  I don't honestly know.  But if my expierence at Spring Creek was anything like the expierences at any of the other Schools, they are safe.



I was suffering from depression when I went into the program.  And while it is not ok that suicide attempts and even kids actually commiting suicide take place.  Those were the same kids, that were trying to kill themselves outside of these facilities.  Teenage suicide is a huge problem today.  Instead of arguing the merits of these schools, maybe more people should be focusing on a better way to help these kids.  



"

WWASPie bullshit. Spring Creek Lodge is a highly abusive program, like all the other WWASP gulags.

There is nothing safe about WWASP. There is nothing safe about being "cared" for by an bunch of untrained, underpaid rednecks/Mexicans/Jamaicans. There is nothing safe about the seminars, or their "group therapy". There is nothing safe about the constant physical abuse that is taking place in these places.

WWASP's program is designed to achieve one goal, and one goal only-- to destroy the child, so that the happy, well-adjusted, program-loving personality could be installed instead of the real, original self. That is all they do. Do not confuse this with help or treatment. It is murder.

[Perrigaud]

Bullshit. You guys are so full of it. Ok b/s as far as my personal experience goes. I wasn't abused. Guess there really are a lot of weak people out there. Hmm.

[Anonymous]

On 2005-04-30 01:48:00, Perrigaud wrote:

"Bullshit. You guys are so full of it. Ok b/s as far as my personal experience goes. I wasn't abused. Guess there really are a lot of weak people out there. Hmm. "

Again, you say you're talking about your "own personal experience", yet at the same time you invalidate the experiences of everybody else.

[Perrigaud]

Again. Hence the it's B/S in accordance to my experience. If I thought that that was the case with all of the experiences I would have said it's all B/S in alignement with EVERY experience.

[Anonymous]

On 2005-04-30 01:48:00, Perrigaud wrote:

"Bullshit. You guys are so full of it. Ok b/s as far as my personal experience goes. I wasn't abused. Guess there really are a lot of weak people out there. Hmm. "

Perri, I used to read your posts with interest and respect but what a bunch of bullshit you just wrote.  What the fuck do you mean by there are a lot of "weak people" out there???  It appears that you're suggesting that they were abused b/c they're weak and you weren't b/c you're the strong one.  WTF??