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« Reply #90 on: April 29, 2005, 05:07:00 AM »
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I was reluctant to post my story about Cross Creek Manor due to the pain it would rehash but I have come to realize that although it may cause some pain to me it will help prevent the pain of others. First let me give you some background on myself. I come from a single parent home and was raised in my grandmother and grandfather's home. My father was an alcoholic and abusive to my mom so she moved back in with my granny when I was only about 6 months old and my brother was about two and a half. We all lived together until I was about ten or eleven. This is when my mom met my now stepfather. At first they just dated but after awhile they made plans to move in together. Of course my mother asked me to go with her but I would not hear of it. I had lived in the same town for almost all my life and I was shy and not so ready to pick everything up and start all over with a new school, friends etc. I guess you can say this was about the time I started acting out. I smoked my first cigarette at the age of about 12, marijuana at the age of 12 or 13. I also started drinking beer around this age. I picked the wrong people to hangout with, stayed out late, and my grades started dropping. At the age of 14 I was raped and after that I started snorting cocaine. Well to make a long story short my behavior became progressively worse until my mom had me admitted to a psychiatric hospital for adolescents. After leaving there I attended a drug recovery outpatient program, NA, AA, and went to see both a psychiatrist and psychologist regularly. I stayed clean for about 6 months and my behavior was back to it's good self. Then I relapsed and started drinking and smoking weed again- although I have not to this day touched cocaine again. I started running away again for days at a time and basically not caring what my mom had to say. I didn't even care about myself. This continued -it would be on and off if can understand what I mean-some weeks I was good others were bad- until late August of 1998. I had came home from work after being out for a few days. I was exhausted and depressed. I had a history of depression and had recently been diagnosed with ADD. All I wanted to do was sleep. In fact I slept for almost two days straight. I was awakened by a knock at the door. To my surprise there were 2 cops outside. My mom let them in and they told me to get dressed because they needed to talk to me. They asked me why I wanted to kill myself. Apparently my mom was at her rope's end and told them that I was threatening to kill myself because it was the only way she was going to be able to get me help. I told them that I wasn't planning on killing myself but they didn't believe me. They handcuffed me and took me to the hospital. From there I was sent to another adolescent psychiatric hospital. I was there for about three days when the psychiatrist said that there was no reason for me to be there anymore (I think my mental health coverage had run out) My mom came to pick me up- I knew something was up because my step dad was with her. At that time I really didn't like him and my mom knew that so she usually didn't bring him places to come get me unless I was in trouble. She walked me out to the car and the whole time she was holding my hand and hugging me and telling me how much she love me. We got to where her car was parked in the parking lot and 2 ladies (might I add the 2 butchiest and scary ladies I have seen in my life) grabbed me and threw me in their car. My mom was crying and so was I. I had no idea what was going on. They drove off and I kept asking them where they were taking me and at first they wouldn't answer. Then finally when we got to the airport they told me that they were taking me to some cool private school where I would have lots of fun and make new friends. I don't know why I believed them. I guess it was because at the point I was at I really didn't think moving away would be so bad. In my head I pictured a school that had a dorm and phones and a t.v. and normal things like that. In know way did I know what was coming to me. We got on the plane. I was horrified because it was my first time flying. We landed and drove the long distance to La Verkin from Las Vegas.
That was the day my life changed for the worse. I arrived at about 4:00 am in the morning. I walked in the big white doors of the manor. Immediately they were slammed shut behind me and I was asked if I knew where I was. I said no and was told "You are at a long term drug rehabilitation facility." I freaked out and asked her if I could call my mother. To that I got the reply "No you cannot. You are here because your mother doesn't want anything to do with you." I thought It was all a bad dream I actually pinched myself to try and wake up-but to no avail- it was all HORRIBLY REAL!!!! I was stripped searched, my clothes were taken away and I was given some second hand dirty T-shirt and sweat pants to sleep in. I was forced to sleep on a mattress on the floor for days. I was woken up at around 7am and was surrounded by robot looking girls running around to get ready on time. And that was just the beginning.
If I could remember everyday and every bad thing that happened I would tell you but I don?t. Some of the things I do remember are as follows:
-Every doorway I crossed I was made to ask May I cross
-I was watched going to the bathroom, taking showers, sleeping-everything I did I was under constant surveillance
-I was told daily that I was a f**kup, a slut, a homewrecker, that my mom didn't want me and that I would never change.
-When I admitted in therapy that I was raped I was made to feel that it was my fault because of my behavior.
-In what they called Physical Education I was forced to run around the yard many times. I wasn't not allowed to stop-even though my lungs were shot from smoking and I had borderline asthma- or I would receive a cat (which is a punishment where you have to sit and listen to tapes for hours on end until you got enough questions right to equal the amount of points of the cat. Each tape was half an hour long with a possibility of receiving 15 points- while cats started at if I remember correctly 50 points (I could be mistaken on that exact number).
-I was forced to be on silence for a period of about three weeks.
-"School" was not taught by teachers. I was given a textbook for each subject and answered the questions for each chapter and then given a test on each chapter.
-When I was put in the program I was 1 class away from getting a Regents diploma. I begged to be able to take a regents course so I could get the diploma I had worked so hard for 4 years but they didn't allow me to and I had to take a regular diploma.
- I got sick one night with a fever and I was throwing up. I was made to sleep with 3 heavy blankets. They said I needed to "sweat the fever out". I was crying because it was too hot under the blankets and I tried to take them off but I was threatened with a Cat for manipulation and not obeying staff orders. The next morning I was still forced to clean the bathroom (my every morning chore)
- I was given sleeping pills that made me feel horrible
- I was outside and this girl was trying to teach me how to do a cartwheel and I fell and hurt my shoulder. I was told it was my fault. I complained about the pain and they wouldn't take me to the doctor for about 4 days. It turned out that I had ripped a muscle in my shoulder and needed a sling.
- I was not allowed to write my mom for months and it took about 6 months to talk to her on speakerphone wit the therapist right there butting in.
- I had gotten a planters wart on the bottom of my foot from the dirty floors there and after complaining for about a month they took me to the doctor. He did laser surgery/removal of it and told me not to walk on it for a week. When I got back they would not allow me to stay in the sick room for more than a day. They said I was manipulating even when I walked on it and it started gushing blood.
- For about the whole time I was there I had an impacted wisdom tooth. Everyday it hurt. Sometimes it was so bad that I couldn't chew. They refused to bring me to have it removed and when I couldn't eat because of it they accused me of having an eating disorder and I got in trouble.
- There was an outbreak of scabies at Cross Creek Manor. When I told a girl who had it to stay away from me I was told that I was being "non-working" and I got in trouble. I just didn't want scabies!!!!
- When I decided to contact my biological father because I thought it might help me in my recovery I was told that I was trying to use him as a "back-door for my problems" When my mom told them it was alright for him to contact me through letters-he started sending me somethings that I was allowed to have (shampoo hairbrushes stationary flowers-stuff like that) they told him that he was spoiling me and that he couldn't contact me anymore.
- I was forced to wear only socks or thin slippers in the snow and rain.
- Every morning I was forced to show a staff member my underwear and bra to prove I was only wearing 1 of each. Somehow they considered that run plans. Personally I think they got off on it.
- When my therapist had said to me that my mom said that I was never allowed back in her house (which I know now my mom never said) I cursed about my mom and was made to right home a nasty letter cursing out my mom and not explaining why.

There are so many other things that happened. They are too numerous to list. I just hope that parents will think twice about sending their children to Cross Creek Manor, WWASP programs or any other place where they treat teens like crap. I know my mom would not have sent me there if she knew what it was like.

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« Reply #91 on: April 29, 2005, 05:09:00 AM »
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Wow, I am not sure where to start. I just found this web site tonight and am glad I have. Well I am an alum of Cross Creek Manor. My name is Meagan Tinney and I was "escorted" to Cross Creek in 1995. Of course I went to Brightway first before it shut down. The experience I had at Cross Creek was both abusive and torturous. I believe I would have been seriously damaged had it not been for the relationships I made with the other girls there. I was in H group and my therapist while I was there was Jeff. I was at Cross Creek for 10 months. I was sent there for running away, and doing drugs. I had at that time a turbulent relationship with my father who was physically abusive. Cross Creek was a shock. I quickly did what I was told, because I saw what happend to the girls who didn't fall into line.
After I finally got out of that place I was very nervous. I wasn't used to being by myself and couldn't be outside without someone with me, else I felt like I was doing something wrong. I had been institutionalized. I had more emotional problems leaving Cross Creek than I ever did before. Since there wasn't any family therapy I had gone home to the same environment I had left, except I felt I couldn't stand up for myself. About six months after being home I began shooting up heroin. I abused this drug for close to 2 years before trying to get sober. It took another year to accomplish that. I was lucky to finally get some healthy therapy and thats when I really realized the damage that was done to me when I was there. I have done alot of work but still carry the scars from my time there.
I would urge any parent to never send their child to Cross Creek. I am saddend that this place is still running and seems to have grown, I doubt it's any better than when I was there. The staff was untrained and uneducated to work in that type of environment. I have found out that my old therapist molested a girl in my group shortly after I left. I remember he always blurred the lines of our relationship, but luckily he didn't cross those lines with me. Not to mention the diet, I gained 60lbs from the unhealthy food, and I should now I worked in the kitchen with Andy. Bless his heart he did the best he could with the budjet they gave him. Most of the staff had control issues and enjoyed torturing the kids.
I hope to get in contact with anyone who was at Cross Creek in 1995-1996, specially in H group. I would also like to get in contact with anyone who would like to chat about there experience. I will definately monitor this website now that I know it exists. I don't feel so alone anymore. Thanks Meagan
 
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« Reply #92 on: April 29, 2005, 05:17:00 AM »
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I was at CCM for 7 1/2 months. The only thing that it helped me with was loving my family. while there i realized that my family is most important in my life. seminars pushed me away from everything, especially when people get in your face calling you a slut whore a nother fuck at a party etc. some pretty harsh stuff is said. if you are planning on keeping your kid there get used to nasty letters that they are forced to write to you. once I had to write to my mom telling her how much i hate her and how i wish she died. these are the kind of therapy assignments that we got.
 
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« Reply #93 on: April 29, 2005, 07:36:00 AM »
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On 2005-04-28 01:26:00, Perrigaud wrote:

"To all those who feel sorry for me go right ahead. Feel how you want to. I'm not here to change your minds. I can't do that. Lies? No I speak the truth. Truth as far as what I experienced. To all those who think I'm brainwashed and have a "murdered soul". I don't and I'm not. To say I'm lying is crap. I know abuse can happen. It didn't happen to me or anyone other. I am not sorry for the things I have said. All my so called praise is pure. It comes from a place of true peace. I have inner peace. I don't live my life full of shame or regret. If you all want to say these programs are horrible go right ahead. I will continue to spout my experience.

The hobbit? We didn't have that. I support my program. I support my experience. I support what I know is true. If you think my truth is tainted than fine. I've been out for 4+ years and still thank it for helping me.

I don't claim to know about anyone elses program or experience. That is not my place.

Call it a cult. So is religion if you really get down to it. I think that if something works for someone than great. As long as they don't push it upon me. I'm not pushing anything on anyone. I am however telling my story.

Do I feel bad about those who have been abused? Yes. Do I think it's right? Not at all. I do have a heart.

Leave this forum? No. To the person that told me to not spout out my program rhetoric I say It's not rhetoric. I know you want to think it is. Go right ahead. No I will not just go away. No I will not shut up. Keep wishing.

Pity me? Feel sorry for me? Hey thanks...right back at you.



Antigen,

 Well if a girl refused she'd just get more time in worksheets. Phone? Sucks for that kid. I don't doubt it happened. We were in lock down so I'm not surprised it happened. Do I think it's right that he got taken down? No.





RN,

 I need to? No I don't need to do anything. I don't need to say what you want me to. I won't. I speak my experience not those of others as I don't know the full story. Look beyond my nose? Sure and I didn't see any abuse. I (as in me) didn't. It happened I'm sure but I didn't see it. I won't lie to make you feel better. Sorry. [ This Message was edited by: Perrigaud on 2005-04-28 01:26 ]"


do you believe the abuse stories that are coming out of there? and, sorry, I'm tuning in late, but this Cross Creek Manor is where you went?
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« Reply #94 on: April 29, 2005, 09:48:00 AM »
Yes I went to Cross Creek. Do I believe the experiences? How very taboo. There are always 3 sides to every story. I don't claim to know what is false and what is a lie. I know that abuse is possible and has happened in the past. That is why I will not say it's true or it is false. It is not my place to say that. I know there are some liars and some truth. That's the danger with these places. If there is abuse it can become a real touchy subject. Now, here's the thing I only speak of my experience. Things do and have changed throughout the years as well. Such a case would be that when Cross Creek first opened the girls were allowed to wear there own clothes. Class was co-ed.
I will tell you what I never experienced. The food was never horrible. Yes we didn't have foie gras. But it wasn't inedible. Anyhow, being called slut and such was also not in my experience.
My experience is what I will speak of. I will not speak of anyone elses unless I had them in my group. In that case I would've spent my days with them for months.
I will say this, people love to martyr themselves. They love to be the victims. Am I saying that any of these girls are dramatizing their experience significally? No, but I am saying it is an experience. I could see how bits and peices could have happened. But some girls may be telling the truth.
Fact is I don't know. All I know is my own experience. No I never saw any girl being abused.
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« Reply #95 on: April 29, 2005, 09:58:00 AM »
Perri- You are the most programmed WWASP apologist I've seen post here. I hope you develop more mature critical thinking skills as you grow older.
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« Reply #96 on: April 29, 2005, 10:24:00 AM »
I for one don't believe anything Perrigaud says. She/he is here to refer parents to programs, it's all about the $$$$$$

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« Reply #97 on: April 29, 2005, 10:45:00 AM »
Well, now we know what they meant when Cross Creek defined *shoes* as a "privilege."

Third level, I think it was?

And Perri's only answer was, "It's not as if we didn't have anything on our feet."

And then, "When it first started, girls were allowed to wear their own clothes"

Well, we heard from one of the other survivors what the replacement clothes the girls were made to wear were like.

If I only gave my kid socks or thin slippers in the rain and snow, child welfare would remove her from my home and prosecute me.

And that's not an isolated case of child abuse--I can't call it neglect, because it's not.  These girls *had* shoes, Cross Creek actually took them away and forbade them from having any.  That's abuse.

And it was wholesale.

Well, now we see what the "anything" was that they had on their feet, don't we?

Yeah, I think it's fair to say the kids are brainwashed into thinking what they experienced wasn't abuse or neglect, when by community standards it very clearly was.

I have to keep reminding myself to pity Perri, not get angry with her, because her head is still stuck inside a cult.

It does remind me of the movie "Stepford Wives."  The over and over parroting of the same lines is creepy.

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« Reply #98 on: April 29, 2005, 12:15:00 PM »
It was also a privlage to wear your own clothes and shoes at Provo Canyon School. Going to school was also a privlage and going to church was a privlage as well.  My child was forced to wear hideous bright orange and hot pink sweats and rubber slip on sandles. I made the mistake of asking them if she could continue her track training and that she was a star cross country and long distance runner.  This must have freaked them out and they had her in these two-dollar rubber slip ons for her entire stay (which was about a month before we wised up and rescued her).  The sweats were worn out.  She wasn't allowed to wear any of her nice clothes. Most things were sent home because they weren't two sized too big for her. Anything that fit well was deemed immodest.  I was told to send size 11 if she wore a size 7 - size XL tops and long if she wore a medium.
They also tried to steal the $500 I had placed in her account for snacks and things. I had to write to them and explain that she was never allowed to buy anything.  They finally refunded it.  

The isolation used was extreme - and illegal I later learned.  This continues to go on in Utah.
They get away with this because most parents do not report this to the authorities. Probably because they don't know about it because they are not allowed to talk to their children without someone monitoring the call.
Also the children are reluctant to tell their parents anything because they will be treated worse if they do.  That was our experience anyway.
When my daughter told me what they were doing to her - with the therapist on the other phone - I was horrified and demanded an investigation.  After this he put her in solitary for a week as punishment.  He never notified us of this.  

... and the group leader was a clown.
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« Reply #99 on: April 29, 2005, 12:29:00 PM »
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"I for one don't believe anything Perrigaud says. She/he is here to refer parents to programs, it's all about the $$$$$$



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I'm beginning to believe that that is the real reason for her posting here.
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« Reply #100 on: April 29, 2005, 12:35:00 PM »
Former students and their parents get money for referals - it's just a big money making enterprise.
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« Reply #101 on: April 29, 2005, 02:47:00 PM »
I dunno if she's getting referals or not. I sort of doubt it. I do think she's a bit addled about the whole thing, though.

Perri, you say you believe what these other folks are saying, but that you never wittnessed any abuse. Ok, take the seminars for example. Damned near everyone seems to agree that they involve a lot of shouting and bullying and degrading, humiliating behavior. You don't seem to disagree w/ that at all, but you don't think that's abusive?

How about the strip search? You don't remember having been strip searched. But damned near everyone else does remember being strip searched; by force if they resisted. You don't think that's abusive.

You acknowledge that (because you were on lock down) it's perfectly reasonable and not abusive to tackle a kid to the ground for attempting to use a pay phone.

It seems very clear to me that you were abused and Cross Creek Manor and that it was very effective. You think you deserved it, even needed it; that it was a kindness shown to a poor, horrible, wretched and worthless being; a redemption.

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« Reply #102 on: April 29, 2005, 11:35:00 PM »
Perri you sound very poitive and healthy.  Don't let these few try to tell you anything different.  Only you went thru your experiences.  The people here only want to believe the negative and will only accept opinions that are the same as theirs.  They scream for tolerence yet have none.  They want truth, but only if it lines up with their preconceived ideas.  This board is addictive and depressing.  Believe me, I've been trapped into it before.  The best thing is to stay away for a while, then check back after a few weeks and see that the same people are still stuck in the same looser, victim attitudes.  Be careful.  The nay sayers here have nothing better to do than to doubt anyone else's success because they lack their own.  Stay strong and take a break from these loosers!
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« Reply #103 on: April 30, 2005, 12:14:00 AM »
Cherish Wisdom, you said that a lot of pain, suffering and even death could be avoided if these psychological evals were done before parents just "rushed in".  

I was one of those kids that was just "rushed in", and let me tell you.  If my mom had in any way hinted that i was going to be sent away, I would have bolted.  Most of the cases where it is neccesary for kids to goto these places, if the kid knew he would just run away.  That solves nothing.  

I am not opposed to the psychological evaluations, because i believe that there would still be a lot of kids out there that would still need to goto these places.  Getting the tests done at home doesn't solve the problem though.  It just gives the kid a chance to run.  And I believe that we all would agree that any kid out on his own is not a good thing.
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« Reply #104 on: April 30, 2005, 03:25:00 AM »
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"Perri you sound very poitive and healthy.  Don't let these few try to tell you anything different.  Only you went thru your experiences.  The people here only want to believe the negative and will only accept opinions that are the same as theirs.  They scream for tolerence yet have none.  They want truth, but only if it lines up with their preconceived ideas.  This board is addictive and depressing.  Believe me, I've been trapped into it before.  The best thing is to stay away for a while, then check back after a few weeks and see that the same people are still stuck in the same looser, victim attitudes.  Be careful.  The nay sayers here have nothing better to do than to doubt anyone else's success because they lack their own.  Stay strong and take a break from these loosers!"


"Victims attitudes". Sounds like one of Perri's lines. Do you all use the same lexicon? The same phrasebook? Sounds like it.

How about you get some exit counseling and come back when you'll be capable of thinking for yourself.
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