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« Reply #105 on: April 30, 2005, 04:08:00 AM »
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Perri you sound very poitive and healthy.  


By the way, how the hell did you reach that conclusion? Perri doesn't sound healthy. She sounds brainwashed and beaten, like a battered wife rushing to justify and take the blame for her husband's abuse. She's repeating the same lines over and over again (I agree with Timoclea-- it's getting creepy). She doesn't have a single original thought in her head.

There's nothing positive or healthy about being enslaved to a treatment cult like WWASP.
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« Reply #106 on: April 30, 2005, 04:45:00 AM »
Ok fine. You all can see me as what you wish. Go ahead and get angry with me. Go ahead and accuse me of being brainwashed. Go ahead and feel sorry for me. Go ahead and judge. Have fun. Wish I was getting money for the amount of bullshit I get from you people. You're right though about one thing. I shouldn't be so enwrapped in what you all falsely think. The most programized. Sure. Whatever you want to think. Jargon? C'mon. That is sheer crap. Victim? That's everyday language. Battered? No. You all are just mad because I haven't been abused. You'd all like to think I was but I wasn't. Despite my so called "abuse" I still managed to live a successful life. I have tons of money, I am at peace, I don't live my life the way you all like to. I don't spend my time complaining and bitching about the things that are wrong yet cannot or won't do anything about it. It's so easy for you all to talk yet how many of you have really done something to change it? How many of you are really effective? Good luck. Keep ranting and raving. If anything I feel sorry for all of you. And yes my heart does go out to the true victims. Those who were really victimized.

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 Seminars? You haven't talked to everyone. Just the ones who are traumatized. Not everyone ended up like this. Abusive? No.
Strip search? Maybe I was just one of the few that wasn't strip searched. I wasn't. Abusive? No not if those girls are coming in with knives and other such things. Not if they came in with drugs. Teens are no angels. You all seem to forget that. Teens are manipulative. I used to manipulate people like you all the time. I would play the poor battered teen. I made it seem as if I was just being a teen. I used to get a sick kick out of watching you people yell at my parents or teachers all because you felt I deserved my right to be me. In reality you were enabling me.
No I didn't say that the kid getting tackled was completely justified. Don't put words in my mouth.
Lady I didn't get fucked. However thanks for proving how dumb adults can be. Thank you for showing how naive you all are. No really, glad to know that the teens of America will keep getting away with things because after all they are just teens. They are fragile and need to be given the space to grow.
Deserved? Hell yeah I deserved to grow up. I wasn't treated as a wretched horrible person. Au contraire. I was given the time and help I needed to figure my life out. Everyone's journey (life) is different. I'm not going to feel sorry for myself. In the end it helped a lot. Nothing you or anyone can say will change my mind. Brainwashed? Ok say what you will. Oh, and 20 years down the line when I still am happy with myself and my life I will look back and laugh at all of you. And I will still feel for those who were real victims. Good luck to all of you all.
Since I'm supposedly getting paid for all of this I will be even richer. I don't intend on leaving you all alone. I will continue to tell my experience. Feel free to kick me out or get angry. My experience is my own. Don't try to make it something it wasn't.
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« Reply #107 on: April 30, 2005, 05:00:00 AM »
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On 2005-04-30 01:45:00, Perrigaud wrote:

"Ok fine. You all can see me as what you wish. Go ahead and get angry with me. Go ahead and accuse me of being brainwashed. Go ahead and feel sorry for me. Go ahead and judge. Have fun. Wish I was getting money for the amount of bullshit I get from you people. You're right though about one thing. I shouldn't be so enwrapped in what you all falsely think. The most programized. Sure. Whatever you want to think. Jargon? C'mon. That is sheer crap. Victim? That's everyday language. Battered? No. You all are just mad because I haven't been abused. You'd all like to think I was but I wasn't.

Yes, you were. You accepting WWASP's point of view concerning this does not mean that it didn't happen. Since you are a program graduate, because you have been manipulated and changed by them, your perspective is not credible. You will see tihngs as they want you to see them, not as it really is.

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Despite my so called "abuse" I still managed to live a successful life. I have tons of money, I am at peace, I don't live my life the way you all like to.

I don't recall anyone here telling you how to live your life.

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I don't spend my time complaining and bitching about the things that are wrong yet cannot or won't do anything about it. It's so easy for you all to talk yet how many of you have really done something to change it? How many of you are really effective?

We are changing it. By talking, by sharing, by warning parents about the dangers of places like Cross Creek. This board has saved many victims and potential victims of this destructive industry.

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Good luck. Keep ranting and raving. If anything I feel sorry for all of you. And yes my heart does go out to the true victims. Those who were really victimized.

And my heart goes out to you. Because you are one of those victims, yet you can't even see it. Because you truly wanted someone to help you, and winded up being trapped in a cult.

Sicne the bulk of your post was addressed to Ginger, I'll leave that to her.  

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Brainwashed? Ok say what you will. Oh, and 20 years down the line when I still am happy with myself and my life I will look back and laugh at all of you. And I will still feel for those who were real victims. Good luck to all of you all.

Good luck to you too. I hope that someday you'll get the help you need and regain your real self, not the program-approved shadow you're in right now.

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Since I'm supposedly getting paid for all of this I will be even richer. I don't intend on leaving you all alone. I will continue to tell my experience. Feel free to kick me out or get angry. My experience is my own. Don't try to make it something it wasn't.  "


Feel free to post as you wish. I don't remember anyone here telling you you shouldn't be posting or that we want you out. I do remember someone telling you to stop lying, but that, unfortunately, is not possible, because you do believe your lies, and cannot tell between reality and program dogma any longer.

I hope that someday, someone will get you to an exit counselor. You are trapped. And although you consider your captivity a form of redemption, that doesn't change reality.
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« Reply #108 on: April 30, 2005, 06:35:00 AM »
No worries. Me and my supposed "brainwashed" self don't need your sympathy. Save it for someone who really needs it.
Again, there is nothing for me to realize or understand. I'm not brainwashed.
Really it's a double edged sword with you people. If I was depressed, sad, unhealthy you all would blame the program. "See what it did to this poor victim. She had her rights stripped and she was broken down to nothing and programized. The program is evil and it has hurt her." Yet if I do well and live my life better than most people do it's; "See what the program does? It brainwashes someone. She has no original thought. She is changed. That's sad. Poor girl doesn't even know she's brainwashed."
Interesting. Has it ever crossed your mind that it wasn't brainwash? That it helped me? That I didn't break down or get broken down? Seriously people. So the only reason I am doing so well is due to my brainwash? So the only reason I am for it is because I'm rewired? Wow. That's interesting.

Despite my so called "abuse" I still managed to live a successful life. I have tons of money, I am at peace, I don't live my life the way you all like to.  

"I don't recall anyone here telling you how to live your life."

You sure misread me. I meant that I don't live my life the way you all live yours. Closed minded. Who really are the brainwashed ones.

By all means feel free to respond to what I said to Ginger. I would love to hear you're insight.

Helping future potential victims? Ok, if that's what you really believe. Keep fighting your fight and I will fight mine. :wink:
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« Reply #109 on: April 30, 2005, 08:29:00 AM »
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No worries. Me and my supposed "brainwashed" self don't need your sympathy. Save it for someone who really needs it.

Oh, I am. I'm saving it for victims of the programs. People like you, who are trapped-- and who are in so deep that they don't even know it.

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Again, there is nothing for me to realize or understand. I'm not brainwashed.
Really it's a double edged sword with you people. If I was depressed, sad, unhealthy you all would blame the program. "See what it did to this poor victim. She had her rights stripped and she was broken down to nothing and programized. The program is evil and it has hurt her." Yet if I do well and live my life better than most people do it's; "See what the program does? It brainwashes someone. She has no original thought. She is changed. That's sad. Poor girl doesn't even know she's brainwashed."

I'm saying you're brainwashed not because of the way you live your life. I honestly couldn't care less. The reason I'm saying you're brainwashed is because you are defending a highly abusive program with extreme fervor. It's because you quote their dogma again and again. It's because you view what was done to you, as well as your past, from WWASP's point of view.

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Interesting. Has it ever crossed your mind that it wasn't brainwash? That it helped me? That I didn't break down or get broken down? Seriously people. So the only reason I am doing so well is due to my brainwash? So the only reason I am for it is because I'm rewired? Wow. That's interesting.

I'm saying you're brainwashed because that is what the program does to people-- it uses method developed in the LifeSpring cult and in North Korean POW camps to convince people that they have been helped, save, redeemed, enlgihtened, and that anyone who dares speak against the program is either a liar or a fool.

The program doesn't really help anyone. It only convinces you that it does. A very telling sign is that you are here, 5 years later, defending it. Any person who have had some issues and got normal legitimate help for their issues will tell you that once they worked things out, they moved with their lives. You are not able to that. Because whatever problems you had and the way you worked them out has stopped being the main issue long ago. When you became a WWASPie, the main thing became not your problems or what you were going to do about them. It became the program. And it still is. That is why you are here, making excuses for them, 5 years later. You bought into their bullshit hook, line and sinker.

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Despite my so called "abuse" I still managed to live a successful life. I have tons of money, I am at peace, I don't live my life the way you all like to.  
"I don't recall anyone here telling you how to live your life."
You sure misread me. I meant that I don't live my life the way you all live yours. Closed minded. Who really are the brainwashed ones.

You are. i have reached my conclusions about the program after researching its origins, talking to people who have been there (both graduates and non-graduates), as well as with professionals in the field of psychology who confirmed that WWASP's program is a thinly disguised mind control program. Nothing more, nothing less. If I'll ever see any evidence that WWASP's program is helpful in any way, I'll change my mind.

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By all means feel free to respond to what I said to Ginger. I would love to hear you're insight.

I'll get to it sometime later. Not that my insight will do you any good. You stick with your bullshit and you are willing to say anything and do anything to defend the Holy Program.


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Helping future potential victims? Ok, if that's what you really believe. Keep fighting your fight and I will fight mine. :wink:


I will. And many others like me will keep on fighting. While you fight to maintain an abusive, destructive cult, a POW camp for children, I will fight to have these places shut down and the children freed. While you will fight for people to be albe to physical, emotionally and in some cases sexually abuse children, I will fight to have these people put behind bars, where they belong.

Make no mistake about it, this war will be won. Cross Creek will be shut down, along with all the other gulags. No child will be forced to endure what you and thousands of other innocent children have endured. This war will be won.
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« Reply #110 on: April 30, 2005, 08:40:00 AM »
Perri, look at the people here.  They are the ones that are trying to break you down and get you to say things that never happened.  Isn't that what they accuse the program of doing? There is so much double talk from these people.  Maybe they really are the brainwashed ones.  Maybe they went to too many seminars and that is the only way they know how to communicate.  They repeat the same lines and try over and over to twist and force your words.  Be glad you aren't physically near them.  They would probably try to take you down and throw you in the Hobbit for not telling them what they want you to say!  You know the old line...misery loves company?  This is a classic example.  It must be really hurtful to those that were abused to hear that others weren't.  I don't doubt that some are just as you have stated that you believe some may have been, but you didn't see or experience it.  I have spoken with victims of spousal abuse that just can't believe that all husbands don't smack their wives every now and then.  They really believe that the ones who say they  have never been beaten are lying.  They hold to that mentality to justify them staying stuck where they are and doing nothing to better themselves and move on.  That is what I see happening here.  These people just don't want to believe that others were not mistreated and were helped at some programs.  Again...misery loves company.
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« Reply #111 on: April 30, 2005, 09:17:00 AM »
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On 2005-04-30 05:40:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Perri, look at the people here.  They are the ones that are trying to break you down and get you to say things that never happened.  Isn't that what they accuse the program of doing? There is so much double talk from these people.  Maybe they really are the brainwashed ones.  


I don't see this happening at all. People that come here are frustrated since THEY were personally abused, physically, sexually and emotionally at a facility that might still exist today! The frustration occurs when you are told by one person you are not telling the truth, because in THEIR limited experience, in their small group they never witnessed abuse. Guess what? The abuse could of happened where you guys were not! What a revelation. :wave:
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« Reply #112 on: April 30, 2005, 09:26:00 AM »
read the post again, and Perri's posts again.  Neither of us deny that abuse has happened at some of the programs.  All she claims is that it was not her experience.  She never saw it or experienced it.  She NEVER said it could not have happened to someone else.
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« Reply #113 on: April 30, 2005, 09:28:00 AM »
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On 2005-04-30 06:26:00, Anonymous wrote:

"read the post again, and Perri's posts again.  Neither of us deny that abuse has happened at some of the programs.  All she claims is that it was not her experience.  She never saw it or experienced it.  She NEVER said it could not have happened to someone else."


No, she just calls the ones who DO say they were abused weak. :roll:

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« Reply #114 on: April 30, 2005, 09:55:00 AM »
Hell, come to think of it a lot of people are weak because they think they are. Cayo...honestly. So if you were put in the program (unless you already have been) would you give in to the supposed "abuse". Would you let it overcome you and victimize you?

Wanna here some real program talk? Anonymous my experience of you is that you have a lot of pent up anger that you have not dealt with. How interesting it is that you stay anonymous. How non working of you. I get that you like to speak your mind yet you hide. How is this a reflection of your life. My feedback to you would be the I encourage you to grow the guts to take a stand for yourself.

Program apologist I am not. I am an advocate of my own experience and wish that there were more like mine. However this is not so. So I am more of a Program Advocate of Reformation that is not yet in progress. So there are no more counts of abuse.

How spoiled we all are to think that watching tv is a privelage. That having shoes instead of slippers is a privelage. Mind you I never went anywhere I would have harmed my feet if I had slippers on.

Some of you are as bad as those "brainwashing" program people. You do push for me to believe and think as you do. How funny. You are what you hate.  :rofl: Who's really pure out of you? Only a few.
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« Reply #115 on: April 30, 2005, 10:01:00 AM »
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On 2005-04-30 06:55:00, Perrigaud wrote:

"Hell, come to think of it a lot of people are weak because they think they are. Cayo...honestly. So if you were put in the program (unless you already have been) would you give in to the supposed "abuse". Would you let it overcome you and victimize you?


Unfortunately, yes I did....for many years.  It damn near killed me a few times.

Zany fun. It was a first - even Ben Franklin never arranged for something like this, and he was full of himself.

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« Reply #116 on: April 30, 2005, 10:04:00 AM »
Make no mistake about it. There will always be some form of Cross Creek. Abusive? Yes I too will fight for that to be eliminated. POW? No it's not. Military Schools are worse. Why aren't you focused on what harms everyone. War? Do you even acknowledge that there are kids dying so you can have your precious shoes, makeup, tv, and freedom?

Facilities? They helped me. I stick by that. Did I ever say "Holy Program". No I didn't. Again you keep trying to make me out to be like an evangelist. Not so. I see both sides. Nice try. Keep trying to make me out to be all about the program. It's amusing. Again you are just as bad as the ones you say are the real harmful people. Tsk Tsk.  :oops:
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« Reply #117 on: April 30, 2005, 10:07:00 AM »
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On 2005-04-30 06:55:00, Perrigaud wrote:

"Hell, come to think of it a lot of people are weak because they think they are. Cayo...honestly. So if you were put in the program (unless you already have been) would you give in to the supposed "abuse". Would you let it overcome you and victimize you?



Wanna here some real program talk? Anonymous my experience of you is that you have a lot of pent up anger that you have not dealt with. How interesting it is that you stay anonymous. How non working of you. I get that you like to speak your mind yet you hide. How is this a reflection of your life. My feedback to you would be the I encourage you to grow the guts to take a stand for yourself.



Program apologist I am not. I am an advocate of my own experience and wish that there were more like mine. However this is not so. So I am more of a Program Advocate of Reformation that is not yet in progress. So there are no more counts of abuse.



How spoiled we all are to think that watching tv is a privelage. That having shoes instead of slippers is a privelage. Mind you I never went anywhere I would have harmed my feet if I had slippers on.



Some of you are as bad as those "brainwashing" program people. You do push for me to believe and think as you do. How funny. You are what you hate.  :rofl: Who's really pure out of you? Only a few."


:lol: I had NO idea how programmed you were until you posted that! Anyways, have a nice life, I hope you find your way out of WWASP's shadows.
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« Reply #118 on: April 30, 2005, 10:23:00 AM »
Perri, I stay anon because I have had experience with this board giving out where I am and because of the thread and those on it, it revealed who I was even as an anon.  I do not trust those moderating this board.  Experience has led me to that.  I am not angry at all.  The only reason I periodically come back to this board is to try and encourage those that have had positive experiences with programs to continue to be positive.  It is so much easier to drag someone down than it is to pick them up.  This forum can be so discouraging if you get caught up in it.  You on the other hand have been a light and encouragement to families that need to hear both sides.  I have no doubt that many have been abused in programs, but I also have no doubt that many have been helped.  One does not justify the other.  What honestly needs to happen is to establish a "better business" type bureau to truly help families in crisis.  Something like the nursing homes have with ratings.  There are changes that need to happen, but some here want to throw the baby out with the bathwater.  I am working with a local youth shelter to try and establish a list of options for parents with kids that need help.  AND before anyone screams...I am not getting paid, nor do I ever want to.  Taking action even when small can start the ball rolling in the right direction.  I also come to this board and get information that is very useful to me regarding reccomendations.  Many of the stories here are so herendous and similar that I can very comfortably believe there is a problem.  I have very much appreciated your imput and your posts.
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« Reply #119 on: April 30, 2005, 10:27:00 AM »
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On 2005-04-30 07:23:00, Anonymous wrote:

"I have no doubt that many have been abused in programs, but I also have no doubt that many have been helped.  One does not justify the other.  What honestly needs to happen is to establish a "better business" type bureau to truly help families in crisis.  Something like the nursing homes have with ratings."

I completely agree.

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This forum can be so discouraging if you get caught up in it.


You can say that again!  :lol:
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