TEEN REHAB: AN INVESTIGATIVE REPORT

[Nihilanthic]

PURE's own bullcrap gives me the Soviet role in WW2 feeling. (if you'd consider WWASPS the nazis)

Sure, they helped now, but they just set up another regeme in the place of the old one. Sorry for the metaphor but I dont really know how else to put it.

PURE is secretive, obviously paid for by the schools (they said so on their website) and while they lambast schools right and left, they go right after that "oh, have US kidnap your kids and take them to this school we say is okay!"

Thats hogwash.

The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by an endless series of hobgoblins; all of them imaginary.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0679728953/circlofmiamithem' target='_new'> H.L. Mencken, 1923

[Anonymous]

ever play baseball?  you should because you would make a great "right" fielder, since you are in left field now?  go pick some daiseys

[Anonymous]

Ginger,  

What I think could be a positive about Sanmmy crying would be that it should to the watching public how profoundly damaging these programs can be. Obviously the woman is still traumatized by her experience.

Watching Montel reinforced how much I despise the Program.

IMO  it appeared everyone was sincere in their message.

I don't think Montel has much respect for Ken Kay.

[Nihilanthic]

On 2005-01-19 17:43:00, Anonymous wrote:

"ever play baseball?  you should because you would make a great "right" fielder, since you are in left field now?  go pick some daiseys"

What kind of humanism expresses its reluctance to sacrifice military casualties by devastating the civilian economy of its adversary for decades to come?  
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0684855674/circlofmiamithem' target='_new'> Henry Kissinger

[ This Message was edited by: Nihilanthic on 2005-01-19 18:30 ]

[Antigen]

On 2005-01-19 13:12:00, BuzzKill wrote:

I don't want to speak for Jeff, but I know there is a general feeling amoung many, that Sue is some what heroic for seeing the wwasp vs pure thing through.
...
 It does have a sort of David against Goliath air about it.

Buzzkill, I agree that Sue and friends did a good thing by standing up to WWASP. Not just for people interested in this industry, either. It was a good thing to do all the way around.

Chi3, Sue had a kid in a WWASP program then later sued them. While she was still involved w/ WWASP, she did some referal work. Now she refers people to other programs. But, as you can see, there's something mysterious and secret about which programs those would be.

Good? Bad? Not quite as bad as worst? I don't know, it's a secret. I'd like to know. I've asked enough. But no one who does know will talk about it.

See, it really sort of loses the David vs Goliath thing when you consider that David was defending his village against a giant while Sue is just defending her business interests. I also sincerely believe that she believes that the two are one and the same. But I don't believe that w/o some sort of evidence. And therein seems to lie the dispute.

As I've said, I'm also glad the show went on and deeply apreciate what went into it. I just thought people ought to know that, good as all that is, being at odds w/ WWASP doesn't prove that PURE is actually helping the people she rescues from WWASP. So whenever I see PURE presented as a solution to the WWASP problem, I remind people to look before you leap (again!)

We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark.  The real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light.  
--Plato

[Nihilanthic]

I just love how PURE loves to fill their website with cries for reform and regulation and about how you cant trust these places, but then they turn around and tell you to trust THEIR kidnappers(escorts) and THEIR programs.

Also, Ginger, shes linking to your site! LOL!

http://fornits.com/anonanon/docs/wwasp/toc.htm is linked to on http://www.helpyourteens.com/true_story.html

Whatever. PURE is just a damn business competetor - kind of makes me sick she saw the BS in the programs and isntead of genuinely trying to STOP the abuse, she turns around and tries to make a buck off of the industry!

We still dont know who she sends them to or what goes on in those programs... no more than the WWASPS programs. Hell, probably less.

Another thing, from their FAQ page:
    8. How is P.U.R.E. funded?  

    P.U.R.E. is funded by several schools and programs as well as private funding. We are part of a pro-active community in getting our children the help they may need. Our community recognizes that our children are the future. Our motto is: Bringing families back together?

That speaks for itself.

Cops; you wake `em up you gotta dance with `em. They lead.
-- Jack McNulty

[Anonymous]

PURE's own bullcrap gives me the Soviet role in WW2 feeling. (if you'd consider WWASPS the nazis)

Sure, they helped now, but they just set up another regeme in the place of the old one. Sorry for the metaphor but I dont really know how else to put it.

PURE is secretive, obviously paid for by the schools (they said so on their website) and while they lambast schools right and left, they go right after that "oh, have US kidnap your kids and take them to this school we say is okay!"

Thats hogwash.

I just love how PURE loves to fill their website with cries for reform and regulation and about how you cant trust these places, but then they turn around and tell you to trust THEIR kidnappers(escorts) and THEIR programs.

Also, Ginger, shes linking to your site! LOL!

http://fornits.com/anonanon/docs/wwasp/toc.htm is linked to on http://www.helpyourteens.com/true_story.html

Whatever. PURE is just a damn business competetor - kind of makes me sick she saw the BS in the programs and isntead of genuinely trying to STOP the abuse, she turns around and tries to make a buck off of the industry!

We still dont know who she sends them to or what goes on in those programs... no more than the WWASPS programs. Hell, probably less.

Another thing, from their FAQ page:
8. How is P.U.R.E. funded?

P.U.R.E. is funded by several schools and programs as well as private funding. We are part of a pro-active community in getting our children the help they may need. Our community recognizes that our children are the future. Our motto is: Bringing families back together?

That speaks for itself.

See, it really sort of loses the David vs Goliath thing when you consider that David was defending his village against a giant while Sue is just defending her business interests.

You both have hit the nail right on the head!!!!

[Antigen]

Perri, I asked you in another thread for your opinion about what makes the parents go along.

I don't know who our anon poster is, but I think it's safe to assume they're afilliated w/ WWASP in some way. And I think the sentiments and websites that they cite are probably geared toward the parents more than to anybody else. Is that pretty much an acceptable premis?

I won't kill time here going down the list of reasons why their explanation doesn't explain it. That's been done to death around here to the point where it distracts from more meaningful discussion. And I'm pretty sure I understand your position on it as you've explained it. Can we agree that the rebuttal site explanation just doesn't all add up?

Here's what I'm getting to. I think the above is a fairly good answer to my question. This is how they get parents to go along, pay the money, abide by the rules even when they make NO sense, etc. It's essentially the same as the old Emperor's New Clothes parable. They sell them on the idea that smart, enlightened, good parents see how wonderful this is, so disparaging anyone who doesn't "get it".

What do you think?

Web pages are like babies -- creation involves a level of enthusiasm that does not necessarily carry over into maintenance.
--Joe Chew

[Antigen]

On 2005-01-20 06:45:00, Anonymous wrote:

You both have hit the nail right on the head!!!!"

Thank you! I want to add something, though. Let me repeat that I'm pretty well convinced that Sue believes in what she's doing. I've seen it before. Art Barker certainly believed in what he was doing. I know it as well as I know anything. If he had been that good an actor, he would never have washed out on Vaudeville.

And I'm a big believer in free market capitalism. Just because she's making a living doesen't prove to me that she's evil. Everybody's got a right to make a living, and all the better if you can do something worthwhile at the same time.

I just haven't been convinced that what PURE is doing is significantly better or different from what WWASP is doing or what CEDU/Brown is doing or what the Palmers are doing in Jay Florida.

I believe much of the bad press that WWASP gets. And I know for a fact that Sammie's telling the truth about the way things were in Straight because I was there from `80 - `83. I was her oldcomer. I remember when they brought her into group after she had split. I remember many kids getting sat on for hours or thrown in timeout rooms, with or without "company" for hours or days. I can't swear to knowledge of the rape because, of course, I wasn't in the room. But I can tell you that, if she had tried to tell me about it at the time, I wouldn't have believed her and she would have been punished when I reported her for telling me.

As a kid in the program, staff was above reproach. As an adult looking back, it seems obvious that if you put a bunch of helpless kids in the care of other kids who hold complete power over them, guess what? Some of them are going to be raped!

And these same kinds of stories have been coming out of these same quack therapy cults for decades now.

The internet interprets censorship as damage and routes around it.
--John Gilmour

_________________
Ginger Warbis ~ Antigen
Seed sibling `71 - `80
Straight South (Sarasota, FL)
   10/80 - 10/82
Anonymity Anonymous
Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps.

[PerfectStraightling]

On 2005-01-20 16:44:00, Antigen wrote:

"
As a kid in the program, staff was above reproach. As an adult looking back, it seems obvious that if you put a bunch of helpless kids in the care of other kids who hold complete power over them, guess what? Some of them are going to be raped!"

I think this goes doubly so for kids who have to put up with as much shit as straight kids did to get to have the power that they did.

[Perrigaud]

I have never really looked at all the commercials or such going for the program. What I do know is that there are a lot of misconceptions on these programs. People are under the impression that it is a fix it all and that any kid should go to be straightened out. I believe that that's due to how the program portrays themselves as well as parent's that are so desperate that they are almost willing to hear anything to find an absolution. I think that desperate measures can equal desperate thinking. The two become hand in hand.

[Anonymous]

Many psychologists are recomending these faciities to families with difficult teenagers.  This is a major problem.  Also most people don't have a clue about what really happens behind the locked doors.

[chi3]

I HAVE NEWS!!!!!!!!!



AS OF YESTERDAY AT 4:30 WE NOW HAVE OUR DAUGHTER BACK SAFE AND SOUND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


WE WENT TO CSA AND GOT HER, THEY WERE NO PROBLEMS, ONLY THE HOUSPARENTS THERE. WE ONLY SAW 2 ADULTS, BOTH WHO MY DAUGHTER SAID HAD TREATED HER WELL. SHE CRIED AND CRIED. SHE WAS NEAR HYSTERICAL SHE WAS SO OVERWHELMED. IT WAS THE BEST DECISION. I AM SO HAPPY TO HAVE HER BACK!!!!!! SHE HAS CHANGED SO MUCH. SHE IS READY TO GO ON WITH THE REST OF HER LIFE. LATER, WHEN THINGS HAVE SETTLED DOWN, I AM GOING TO PUT HER ON HERE AND LET HER TELL ANYONE WHO WANTS TO ASK QUESTIONS, WHATEVER SHE WANTS TO ANSWER. THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH FOR THE SUPPORT YOU HAVE GIVEN ME OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS. I WILL BE BACK ON MYSELF TOMMORROW OR THE NEXT DAY, THANKS AGAIN, EVERYONE.

[webcrawler]

On 2005-01-23 18:49:00, chi3 wrote:

"I HAVE NEWS!!!!!!!!!







AS OF YESTERDAY AT 4:30 WE NOW HAVE OUR DAUGHTER BACK SAFE AND SOUND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!





WE WENT TO CSA AND GOT HER, THEY WERE NO PROBLEMS, ONLY THE HOUSPARENTS THERE. WE ONLY SAW 2 ADULTS, BOTH WHO MY DAUGHTER SAID HAD TREATED HER WELL. SHE CRIED AND CRIED. SHE WAS NEAR HYSTERICAL SHE WAS SO OVERWHELMED. IT WAS THE BEST DECISION. I AM SO HAPPY TO HAVE HER BACK!!!!!! SHE HAS CHANGED SO MUCH. SHE IS READY TO GO ON WITH THE REST OF HER LIFE. LATER, WHEN THINGS HAVE SETTLED DOWN, I AM GOING TO PUT HER ON HERE AND LET HER TELL ANYONE WHO WANTS TO ASK QUESTIONS, WHATEVER SHE WANTS TO ANSWER. THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH FOR THE SUPPORT YOU HAVE GIVEN ME OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS. I WILL BE BACK ON MYSELF TOMMORROW OR THE NEXT DAY, THANKS AGAIN, EVERYONE."

Glad to hear that she is home now. I hope your relationship w/ her gets better and both of you are able to heal from all the past wounds.

[Anonymous]

On 2005-01-23 18:49:00, chi3 wrote:

"I HAVE NEWS!!!!!!!!!

AS OF YESTERDAY AT 4:30 WE NOW HAVE OUR DAUGHTER BACK SAFE AND SOUND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 ::bigsmilebounce:: ::bigsmilebounce:: ::bigsmilebounce::  ::bigsmilebounce::  ::bigsmilebounce::

LATER, WHEN THINGS HAVE SETTLED DOWN, I AM GOING TO PUT HER ON HERE AND LET HER TELL ANYONE WHO WANTS TO ASK QUESTIONS, WHATEVER SHE WANTS TO ANSWER.

That's great, but no rush.  She may need time to process all of this.  I can't tell you how happy I am for both of you!!!!!!!!!!!

THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH FOR THE SUPPORT YOU HAVE GIVEN ME OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS. I WILL BE BACK ON MYSELF TOMMORROW OR THE NEXT DAY, THANKS AGAIN, EVERYONE."

Are you kidding?? :wink:   THIS makes it all worthwhile.  It's times like this that help us to remember why we keep talking about these places even though some of us have been out for years, even decades now.  THIS is why.  Tonight there is a kid who is back where she belongs, safe in her mother's arms.