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TEEN REHAB: AN INVESTIGATIVE REPORT
« on: January 16, 2005, 09:04:00 AM »
:smile: http://www.montelshow.com/show/upcoming ... tm?index=1

TEEN REHAB: AN INVESTIGATIVE REPORT

Since the 1970s, Americans have been shipping their children off to rehabilitation centers, commonly referred to as "boot camps." These programs often claim they can change a troubled teen into a respectful child in a few weeks time. But what really goes on at these facilities where parents aren't allowed to visit? We'll hear the real story from adults who are still haunted by the facilities their parents sent them to. Samantha says that the facility she was sent to in Florida when she was 13 was a living nightmare. She claims that aside from the constant belittling and verbal abuse, she was beaten and starved regularly. Later on, after she had tried to escape the first time, Samantha alleges that she was raped and then forced to have an abortion when she became pregnant. We'll talk to her 2 sisters - one who was sent to the same facility and the youngest who was able to avoid her mother's disapproval. We'll also meet Shannon who claims that the behavioral treatment center she went to in Jamaica used unnecessary force against her that dislocated her jaw. Plus we'll meet Johnny who claims he spent nearly his entire visit at a facility locked in isolation. All of these former rehab inhabitants claim that they received little to no education and counseling while they were there. Find out today why their parents chose to send them away and how some research suggest that these programs are completely ineffective in helping teens.
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« Reply #1 on: January 16, 2005, 09:37:00 AM »
Maia Szalavitz: A journalist who has written a book entitled, "Tough Love America," (due out later this year) about teen rehabilitation centers
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Awesome writer. Should be a good reference for parents considering a program.
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« Reply #2 on: January 17, 2005, 01:53:00 AM »
YAY!

Finally, someone has the balls to stand up to this damn industry and get it out somewhere people will actually SEE IT.

30+ years of this bullshit and its finally gonna see the light of day. No more raping and beating of kids for money.  :tup:

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DannyB on the internet:I CALLED A LAWYER TODAY TO SEE IF I COULD SUE YOUR ASSES FOR DOING THIS BUT THAT WAS NOT POSSIBLE.

CCMGirl on program restraints: "DON\'T TAZ ME BRO!!!!!"

TheWho on program survivors: "From where I sit I see all the anit-program[sic] people doing all the complaining and crying."

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« Reply #3 on: January 17, 2005, 03:10:00 AM »
John Jr. if you?re reading this, stay strong buddy. Your friend from 98.

Courage is Fear Walking. Let Freedom Ring.
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« Reply #4 on: January 17, 2005, 03:18:00 PM »
Interesting, David Pollack, PURE/Scheff attorney, is the same attorney featured on Montel.  Hmmm, there in, the shadow of doubt is cast.  Is there anyone out there fighting against the WWASP schools that is not associated with PURE?  

I had kids in Dundee and Pollack is the attorney sueing me.  Do you think he is sueing me to shut me up?  Could it be that what I know might hurt his case?  I did not realize he had a personal investment in Scheff's case against me. I thought he was defending Scheff on grounds that I defamed her.  Looks to me like he has a personal interest in upholding her image, MONEY!

Ginger, did you know about this?  Did you know Pollack had cases against WWASP? What a mess!  [ This Message was edited by: Carey on 2005-01-17 12:35 ]
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« Reply #5 on: January 17, 2005, 04:05:00 PM »
If wwasps did this, it doesnt matter who points the finger.

PURE is most likely doing this for their own financial gain. Whatever. I'd be happy to see any abusive orginization brought down, period.

PURE is going to see their own justice if they refer to abusive programs soon enough themselves. Dont worry.

Just quit whining that a business competetor is after WWASPS. they still did the crime.

... and the group leader was a clown.
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=742&forum=8#38785' target='_new'>GregFL

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DannyB on the internet:I CALLED A LAWYER TODAY TO SEE IF I COULD SUE YOUR ASSES FOR DOING THIS BUT THAT WAS NOT POSSIBLE.

CCMGirl on program restraints: "DON\'T TAZ ME BRO!!!!!"

TheWho on program survivors: "From where I sit I see all the anit-program[sic] people doing all the complaining and crying."

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« Reply #6 on: January 17, 2005, 04:11:00 PM »
What 'shadow of doubt'?
The girl's jaw was broken in 'therapy'. I hope Pollack sues them for all he can get.

What are you alleging? As usual, it's not clear for the average reader.
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« Reply #7 on: January 17, 2005, 04:13:00 PM »
I think its more of the usual WWASPS vs PURE bickering.

competing orginizations. And frankly I hope they both tear eachother to the ground.

...to disarm the people (is) the best and most effective way to enslave them...
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DannyB on the internet:I CALLED A LAWYER TODAY TO SEE IF I COULD SUE YOUR ASSES FOR DOING THIS BUT THAT WAS NOT POSSIBLE.

CCMGirl on program restraints: "DON\'T TAZ ME BRO!!!!!"

TheWho on program survivors: "From where I sit I see all the anit-program[sic] people doing all the complaining and crying."

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« Reply #8 on: January 17, 2005, 04:51:00 PM »
::rocker::  Amen to that brother.
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« Reply #9 on: January 17, 2005, 05:53:00 PM »
Whos Your Lawyer Carey?
Who else does He represent?
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« Reply #10 on: January 17, 2005, 10:22:00 PM »
I think the obvious implication is that anyone who's ever been associated w/ Sue must be lying all the time about everything and completely unreliable. But, of course, you were once affiliated w/ Sue (voluntarily, I mean) so that would have to include yourself.

Since she goes out of her way to raise her visibility on this issue, naturally that means most newspaper reporters that cover WWASP have, at one point or another, interviewed and maybe quoted Sue. So does that mean every report and every person quoted in all papers from the Rocky Mountain News to the London Guardian are so sullied?

Look, even a broken clock is right twice a day. I think Sue's got it pretty straight wrt WWASP. Just hunker and watch what happens w/ the Whitmore.

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« Reply #11 on: January 18, 2005, 11:05:00 AM »
Caveat: To the promo "contact PURE for more info" they should have added "and referals to other longterm, out of state, TOUGHLOVE quack treatment".

Aside from that, I thought it was a reasonably good treatment of the topic for daytime talk. Maia was fantastic. I wish she'd been given a whole lot more time.

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« Reply #12 on: January 18, 2005, 11:13:00 AM »
Any publicity that makes parents aware that their children *can* be abused in one of these quack programs, and aware of how scant and inadequate and frequently nonexistent the regulation and oversight of the programs is---any publicity that does that is good publicity.

Obviously, if there's no licensing agency looking over WWASPS shoulder, there's non looking over PURE's  shoulder either.

Even getting out the *idea* that your kid could come back far worse than you sent them, or not come back at all, will make most parents more careful consumers.

Which isn't all that's needed, but is definitely a step forward.

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« Reply #13 on: January 18, 2005, 11:33:00 AM »
Miai was great, wasn't she?!
I also thought, all in all, they did a good job. I too, wish Miai had had more time; and I wish John and his son had had a lot more time. They also have a compelling story and John France could have explained a lot about how the program controls the parents; what the seminars are and other important related issues. I feel some rather serious mis-conceptions were allowed to remain, and that concerns me. But considering the format and the limited air time - they did a good job.
I hope very much they do a part two. There is so much more to the story.

I would rather have seen ISAC get the advertising at the end. Seems like it would have been more appropriate, but I guess PURE had a lot to do with getting the show done and so they get the nod.

Maybe when Miai's book is released they'll do a part two and have her back.
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« Reply #14 on: January 18, 2005, 01:25:00 PM »
This attorney may have a professional conflict of interest. You should check it out. If he does then he'll have to drop the case against you. You should notify the State Bar of whatever state he's licensed in and suggest that this attorney may have a conflict of interest. He'll just have to prove otherwise - at least it would give him a few hurdles to jump over first.  Take Care.....

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