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« Reply #180 on: January 01, 2005, 02:46:00 PM »
You guys always say the same thing, just in a different way. Just let all the troubled youth run wild, there won;t be any problems at all.
All the parents are wrong, ya right.
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« Reply #181 on: January 01, 2005, 03:28:00 PM »
I can agree w/ one thing you guys are saying. Parents are probably right a lot of the time. Funny you should guess 99% because that's about exactly the percentage of American parents who do NOT send their kids to gulag.

Another thing I agree with you guys about. You (who regularly post here) are not in it for the money. In my experience, the grunt staff and parent recruiters give and give, sacrifice after sacrifice till they're dead tired, broke and have burned bridges at work, w/ family and in their communities. The staff I remember from The Seed and Straight usually shared small apartments in bad parts of town, owned older little shabby cars and worn clothes. They worked many more than 40 hours per week for damned near nothing.

The money doesn't go to these people. They're true believers. Misguided, wrong, deluded, but not greedy in the least. They're just as dedicated and sincere as Jim Jones' followers or David Koresh's followers. Doesn't make what they do good or right. But it's important to know who and what you're dealing with.

The money goes somewhere else. And there's lots of documentation on that just here on this site, let alone decades of journalism and political/financial reporting. Then, of course, you can just look at their digs. Some joker who pretends to have the kids best interest at heart but who lives in a million dollar mansion and owns a jet and a nice yacht is full of shit.
 

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« Reply #182 on: January 01, 2005, 03:35:00 PM »
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"You guys always say the same thing, just in a different way. Just let all the troubled youth run wild, there won;t be any problems at all.

All the parents are wrong, ya right."


That's right. Just leave out the thought reform, leave their college funds in the bank, skip the seminars and there won't be any more problems.

There won't be very many fewer problems, either, except for that a few tens of thousands of adults will not have to live w/ PTSD and other leftover neuroses from this form of Treatment.

The rest is negligable. Teenagers have been rebelling against their parents and their cultures since the days of Romeo and Juliette. That won't change, with or without teen gulags.

"Now, I'm a walking dead man," ... "And what bothers me is that I'm dead because I tried to help the kids. And it's all the fault of all those people over there at the DEA." [Dead Man Talking]


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« Reply #183 on: January 01, 2005, 03:48:00 PM »
There is a difference between a child who is going through normal teenage problems, being surly and experimenting with boundries and one who is violent and a danger to himself and others.

Most kids grow out of this with love and support. I have witnessed it, I have lived it. $4,000 per month can buy a whole lot of FAMILY therapy and trips away WITH the family to get a change of scenery and foster family unity.

For those who are in a more dangerous situation where the kids are a serious danger to themselves and others, professional help may be required.This opinion should be based on actual professional assesments by people who are not financially interested in the outcome of the assesment.

 I am not niave that those kids are out there. THe problem is lumping a kid who is experimenting with limits and boundries in with one that is psychologically ill and in need of professional care.  

There is also the problem that many of these facilities pay low wages to underqualified support staff. I am sorry, if I cannot give my child what he/she needs, I dont want anyone who doesnt have a degree to either. Parents need to give themselves credit. If the average parent cannot handle a situation, why would they think average joe with a 3 month course in human service delivery can either?

I know some very good unqualified lay people as well, and I appreciate what they do but I feel that a facility/program that competes for qualified people and pays good wages will generally attract the best employees. It does not guarentee abuses dont happen, but it can help to lower the risk.
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« Reply #184 on: January 01, 2005, 06:09:00 PM »
I really don't like to bad mouth any of the other transport company's because it is not professional, but the fact does remain that most of these transport companies do not have people with degrees in the youth industry, they are just an exspensive cab ride. But my company does have at least one trained counsler on each job, they are the lead. That is my role, i do the majority of the talking with the child on the trip if they let me. I can't get through to every kid. I do see allot of them do relize they have been screwing up and now relize how serious it has gotten. I do feel deeply for every kid I transport, but if i let my self get too emotionally attached i would go nuts. So i have to try to let each one go after each intervention. I know you still won't agree with what i do, but again i would rather it be me who transports these kids other than the other companies who will just get them there with the same aatitude they had as they left the house with. I have been able to get so many ready for thier experience so they can do what they need to do to be there as short a time as possible.
But i do see many of them on trips back and have never got anything but a smile. The one that cares
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« Reply #185 on: January 01, 2005, 06:16:00 PM »
And your training and qualification?

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« Reply #186 on: January 01, 2005, 06:48:00 PM »
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 But my company does have at least one trained counsler on each job, they are the lead.


Elaborate please.  What kind of training?
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« Reply #187 on: January 01, 2005, 07:27:00 PM »
I;ve been through this before, that;s what i mean about you guys not reading everything or just letting everything i write go in one ear and out the other. I have a drug counseling degree with UCLA and was trained for some time before i was given the role of lead counsler. I have told you about my child abuse prevention classes also. I am not going to go into my qaulifications again. And you are right a very small % of kids get sent away, but there are still too many that need to be.
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« Reply #188 on: January 01, 2005, 07:43:00 PM »
Given that role by whom? I thought you were self employed?

Yes, you told me about your child abuse prevention class. I thought you were joking. What incredible hubris for you to pretend to teach about child abuse preventin!

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« Reply #189 on: January 01, 2005, 08:00:00 PM »
If you think transporting a kid is abuse or maybe having to handcuff a kid for maybe a half hour because i will  not keep a kid cffed if he or she has calmed down and tell them the small % of the time i have to use cuffs i did not want to have to do that and when they are ready thet can come off. If you think what i do is abuse that that is onlt your opinion, but it is not the laws. I have never done nothing but treat each kid with as much respect as they give me and my partner. I only use cuffs %2 of the time.
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« Reply #190 on: January 01, 2005, 08:09:00 PM »
Making sense of your broken speech in text form with no grammar, syntax, and shitty spelling is abusive.

Anyway...

Its not 'disrespect' if a human being is distraught by being abducted and held captive. Get that through your head. If anyone kidnaps me I totally plan on showing as much respect as is necessary until I can put a knife in their throat.

You included. Dont trick yourself into thinking they had some sort of epiphany or catharsis-breakdown and start loving you because you kidnap them.

This bullshit in your mind about how extreme stress makes people all start loving eachother and 'face their problems' *but somehow take insanely long periods of time to do so, while captive!* is utter bullcrap.

You're basically putting them through a nonconsentual domination and bondage experience. But then again, I dont expect someone with your communication skills to understand consentual BDSM.

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« Reply #191 on: January 01, 2005, 10:05:00 PM »
Just for shits and giggles, lets call up some of the other kind of escort services. We'll describe what our "escort" friend here does and explain that we want it done to our 14yo daughter. Wonder what they'll say? Think they'll take the $2k?

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« Reply #192 on: January 01, 2005, 11:37:00 PM »
Grow up
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« Reply #193 on: January 02, 2005, 02:31:00 AM »
Big words for such a small mind.

Need to get yelled at, terrified, mindfucked and told how to do that, or can you manage on your own?

Edit: Ginger, thanks for saying that! LOL! Funny you said that after my BDSM analogy. That would look AWFUL STRANGE if you called up someone and asked them to kidnap and tie up your daughter so she learns to be obedient! :rofl:

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« Reply #194 on: January 02, 2005, 04:33:00 AM »
sorry for the broken english,im chinese, and am halving a very hard time viewing the screen.damn slants!
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