How about some damn ANSWERS.

[Anonymous]

On 2004-12-31 06:16:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Relationship? you talk to him once a week, you hardly see him? wow that is the great relationship I want with my child, get a grip"

Yes, a healthy relationship.  He lives with relatives while attending University of Missouri, working part time and majoring in electrical engineering.  He's an adult and gratefully let go of wanting him to be here with me.  He's making his life what he's always known he was capable of.  My neighbor has zero contact with her son, so yes, I'm grateful for what we do have.

[Anonymous]

On 2004-12-31 07:01:00, Anonymous wrote:

"You are an Idiot!!! I'm done with you people, i'll just let you all live out of reality and leave you alone. You don't know me and you never will. No matter what i say i'm the eveil one. Tell that to the hundreads of kids i coached and transported. I coached kids and wahtched them grow up in front of me, maybe it was once a week, or 5 days a week in after school and summer camp. You see i did it all. And if i did only see them for once a week, allot of kids that was for 8 years once a week, you kind of get close to kid in that time just a little.You are so judgemental of things you know nothing about!! I am finished with you bone heads. You will say, that i am stoping because i am starting to feel quilty and you are getting to. You see i can see now how all your minds work, you are twisted now in your beliefs and i am tired of trying to convince you. So i will stop and that is the only reason. I will continue to make a difference in many kids and parents lives.

Wheather you think so or now. It does not get to me. So good luck in your endevours, how feble they might be. The one that cares"

One that Cares - This is the tactic that is used when the truth is told.  They twist it, read things into it that aren't there and piss you off so you will go away and stop saying positive things. I'm sorry it worked.  I appreciate the work you do and how you do it, with love and compassion, not just for the kids, but the time you take with the parents.  Though we didn't use an escort service, many kids that know they are going to get help will run and never get there. Hope you're just venting and will stay a while.

[Anonymous]

On 2004-12-31 16:10:00, Anonymous wrote:

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On 2004-12-31 07:01:00, Anonymous wrote:


"You are an Idiot!!! I'm done with you people, i'll just let you all live out of reality and leave you alone. You don't know me and you never will. No matter what i say i'm the eveil one. Tell that to the hundreads of kids i coached and transported. I coached kids and wahtched them grow up in front of me, maybe it was once a week, or 5 days a week in after school and summer camp. You see i did it all. And if i did only see them for once a week, allot of kids that was for 8 years once a week, you kind of get close to kid in that time just a little.You are so judgemental of things you know nothing about!! I am finished with you bone heads. You will say, that i am stoping because i am starting to feel quilty and you are getting to. You see i can see now how all your minds work, you are twisted now in your beliefs and i am tired of trying to convince you. So i will stop and that is the only reason. I will continue to make a difference in many kids and parents lives.


Wheather you think so or now. It does not get to me. So good luck in your endevours, how feble they might be. The one that cares"

One that Cares - This is the tactic that is used when the truth is told.  They twist it, read things into it that aren't there and piss you off so you will go away and stop saying positive things.  "

Pot calling the kettle black.

[Deborah]

Nihilanthic,
I appreciate your curiosity and persistence. I asked many of the same questions about the methods and seminars a while ago in a very lengthy thread.

The wwaspies who were active in that debate were reluctant to even admit the seminars were based on est. Not sure if they were ignorant of the fact at the time or would've prefered that people didn't know. My argument at that time... parents should be told before they write the check and send their kid that they will be required to participate in a confrontational, experimental, new age seminar experience.
Here are some of the highlights:

A wwaspie avoids discussing the link between est and the seminars
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?mo ... =210&Sort=
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?mo ... =280&Sort=

Previous discussions regarding seminars.
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?So ... =9&start=0
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?So ... 9&start=20
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?mo ... 9&start=10
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... rt=0&Sort=
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?So ... 9&start=90

On Program Methods
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?mo ... rt=0&Sort=
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?mo ... =100&Sort=

Inquiry re: Landre?s site stating that W programs use ?cognitive education? No one seemed to know why.
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?mo ... =290&Sort=

How seminars got into public schools
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?mo ... =250&Sort=

An excellent example of how the program supports redefine words to suit their purposes. In this case a parental consequence is defined as her son's choice.
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?mo ... =100&Sort=

Top Fund Raiser For Your Family
The WWASP programs are very unique and offer one of the best cash incentives that a program family could want. How does this sound: ?FREE MONTH IN PROGRAM!? Doesn?t that grab your attention?
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?mo ... =210&Sort=

Girl who consoles another is punished for ?Public Show of Affection?
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=2695&forum=9

Very interesting commentary: TC's- The Psychology of Anti-Psychology
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... &forum=9&1

[Anonymous]

Thank you to whoever it was that gave me the kind words. I am not going anywhere, But it does get very frustrating pulling teeth with these people. I will monitor and if there is something worth my comments, then i will respond. But for now it's pointless.Again Remember transporters only bring about half the kids to these schools, the rest are brought by thier parents, just like the one that has complimented me.Happy new year.
The one that cares

[Anonymous]

By the way i ran away at age 15 when my mom told me i was going to boarding school and Yes that is why my service is very important, so we can try to get these kids the help they need. Jails and death are not an option. I could have easily been killed as a run away. I was lucky!
The one that cares

[Deborah]

Sweetie,
The statistics appear to indicate that your chances of dying of heart disease or in a car crash are higher than was your risk of being killed when you ran away.
Should we incarcerate you to protect you from those potential dangers? I'll see if I can arrange to have you kidnapped and then subject you to my philosophies regarding a healthy diet and exercise so you don't die prematurely from causes that can be prevented. We can see to it that you don't drive either. Sound like a plan?
This industry THRIVES on fear and fear mongering.

[ This Message was edited by: Deborah on 2005-01-01 07:51 ]

[Anonymous]

Sweetheart, you have no idea where i was living for a week, but i could have very easally been killed. I was in a very dangerous ghetto and had to defend my self a few times. I was gone for a week with my mother not knowing where i was and would not have found me unless i called. It's a long story and i will write a book or movie about my experiences one day.But unless you were there you have no idea what i went through and how lucky i am.I had 2 friends living in the area i was in and was sleeping in one of thier garages.You have no idea. You can take all your stats and put them somewhere. I'm living in reality. More ignorance. The one that cares

[Anonymous]

Yes that is why my service is very important, so we can try to get these kids the help they need.

Again, the one that kidnaps assumes he knows what's best for each and every child out there. The one that kidnaps thinks he is so talented that he knows what kind of "help" these children "need" based on what their hysterical parents tell him, and nothing else! Wow!

You make money out of kidnapping children. This is the lowest of the low. There is nothing more despicable than that, other than making money out of abusing children, as these gulags do. And you have managed to convince yourself that you are the Great Savior of American Children, and that you know what these children "need" without even talking to them.

Your powers of self-delusion are very impressive. Fortunately, people here are too smart to fall for for your scare tactics ("these kids will be deadorinjail if I don't kidnap them!!!").

[Anonymous]

HA HA!!Same bull. I can't save any kids i can only help. It is really up to the kid to change thier decision patterns. I really don't know what you think these parents can do when it has gotten to a point of no return for the child. Sure the parents might have made mistakes in the raising of thier kid, but there is no exact science to that and now it has gotten to a point, that yes i need to do an Intervention which is what i do. The parent can not control thier kid anymore, and that is very sad. But i was there at a point in my life and at the time i did not know why i was making bad choices and disrespecting my mom. I took me till i was about 27 to really investigate in my own mind why i did what i did as a teen. If these kids could get to thier deep hurt inside and deal with it, then we would not have as many problems, but they are too immature to figure it out or even try. Again it is an Intervention what i do, if you choose to call it kidnapping go right ahead, but again if it was i would have been arrested a long time ago. So it is only your opinion and the opinion of the other blinded people here.
Not the law!! How can i stay away this is so entertaining. I always need a good laugh in the day. The one that cares

[Deborah]

Point being, One Who Cares, you survived; just like the majority of kids who runaway. And YOU ran to a 'ghetto'. The kids that I know who ranaway, including myself for a few weeks, went to friends houses.

I assume you're not interested in my offer. For a mere $5,000 a month + incidentals, I would be happy to isolate you from the world and significantly decrease your odds of dying of heart disease or auto accident- the two biggies. Sweet deal! Sweeter, is that you have a choice in the matter.

Deny the stats if you choose, but fact is- the hysteria promoted by this industry is unwarranted.
Isn't that a form of 'manipulation' or 'deception' or 'fear mongering'? I realize people will do what they have to do to protect their livlihoods, but those involved with this industry tend to exhibit a gross lack of integrity. In their defense, it might well be gross ignorance driven by fear.

[Antigen]

On 2005-01-01 07:22:00, Anonymous wrote:

"By the way i ran away at age 15 when my mom told me i was going to boarding school and Yes that is why my service is very important, so we can try to get these kids the help they need. Jails and death are not an option. I could have easily been killed as a run away. I was lucky!

The one that cares"

That's exactly what I did when I realized my mom was about to put me in a program. Up until that time, the worst thing I had ever done was to flunk Algebra. But running away was a big item on the list of druggie indicators and so that sealed it.

The only difference between you and me is that I resisted the brainwashing and you didn't.

For something that has spread with all the forethought of kudzu, the Internet isn't half bad."
-- Newsweek, 2/27/95

[Anonymous]

One more thing I can only assume the parent is right and %99 of the time they are. Every now and then i get kid that maybe does not need such a strict enviorment, but than again most of these kids are masters at manipulation and I have not lived with that child for 15 or 16 years and can only believe it is the plan of someone greater than all of us for this child to go through what ever they will go through. I bieliev a plan has been made for each of us and there is nothing we can do to change that. By the way I am not that religous although it might sound that way, but i do believe in god.I don;t go to church. The one that cares

[Antigen]

On 2005-01-01 10:21:00, Anonymous wrote:

"One more thing I can only assume the parent is right and %99 of the time they are. Every now and then i get kid that maybe does not need such a strict enviorment, but than again most of these kids are masters at manipulation and I have not lived with that child for 15 or 16 years and can only believe it is the plan of someone greater than all of us for this child to go through what ever they will go through.

You haven't lived w/ the parents for 15 or 16 years either. How do you know they're not the master manipularots in the situation?

I bieliev a plan has been made for each of us and there is nothing we can do to change that.

Well then, since there's nothing you can do to change that then you should be extra careful to make sure you never, ever do any harm in an effort to try and change things.

You're not doing that. You simply are not. Perragaud told you she heard of abuses at her program and that she knew kids who simply didn't need to be there. Do you believe her?

And can either of you answer my question about what you think "out of control" means? Because, in my experiece w/ these programs, out of control can mean anything from failure to sit up straight enough to not looking at whoever's talking (for 12 solid hours every single god damned day w/o a break) or even smiling at another kid.

Religions are all alike; founded upon fables and mythologies.
--Thomas Jefferson, U.S. President, author, scientist, architect, educator, and diplomat

_________________
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Seed sibling `71 - `80
Straight South (Sarasota, FL)
   10/80 - 10/82
Anonymity Anonymous
Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps.

[Anonymous]

One more thing I can only assume the parent is right and %99 of the time they are.

As you said, you can only assume. How do know, then, that the parents are right?

Every now and then i get kid that maybe does not need such a strict enviorment,

But you still kidnap them and transport them to these gulags, don't you? Of course you do, you get good money out of that.

but than again most of these kids are masters at manipulation and I have not lived with that child for 15 or 16 years

First you state you are sure you can't believe anything a kid says because they are all "manipulators". Then you turn around and say that you don't actually know these kids, that you haven't lived with them and gotten to know them and that you know nothing of their problems.
Well, you're right. You don't know these kids at all. No kid deserved of needs to be kidnapped by the likes of you and be sent off to a program.

Parents are being fed that "children in this country are just getting worse and worse" bullshit constantly. They can not be trusted to even know what's going on when it comes to matters such as this. "Oh no! my kid got a C and he acted moody when he came home from school today. And he had troubles waking up! he must be on drugs!" Parents seem to be willing to believe the worst about their children. And people like you make a buck out of their fears and out of their children's misery.

and can only believe it is the plan of someone greater than all of us for this child to go through what ever they will go through. I bieliev a plan has been made for each of us and there is nothing we can do to change that. By the way I am not that religous although it might sound that way, but i do believe in god.I don;t go to church. The one that cares"

Oh, so now it's not your responsbility that a child is kidnapped and sent off to a gulag. Now it's all God's responsibility. What's that word you program people love so much? Accountability, isn't it? Look it up. The correct definition might surprise you.