How about some damn ANSWERS.

[Anonymous]

On 2004-12-30 22:40:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Timoclea - you have a lot of "book" knowledge"

BOOK-LEARNING: The dunce's derisive term for all knowledge that transcends his own impenitent ignorance.

Devil's Dictionary - Ambrose Bierce

[Anonymous]

You are an Idiot!!! I'm done with you people, i'll just let you all live out of reality and leave you alone. You don't know me and you never will. No matter what i say i'm the eveil one. Tell that to the hundreads of kids i coached and transported. I coached kids and wahtched them grow up in front of me, maybe it was once a week, or 5 days a week in after school and summer camp. You see i did it all. And if i did only see them for once a week, allot of kids that was for 8 years once a week, you kind of get close to kid in that time just a little.You are so judgemental of things you know nothing about!! I am finished with you bone heads. You will say, that i am stoping because i am starting to feel quilty and you are getting to. You see i can see now how all your minds work, you are twisted now in your beliefs and i am tired of trying to convince you. So i will stop and that is the only reason. I will continue to make a difference in many kids and parents lives.
Wheather you think so or now. It does not get to me. So good luck in your endevours, how feble they might be. The one that cares

[Anonymous]

On 2004-12-31 07:01:00, Anonymous wrote:

" And if i did only see them for once a week, allot of kids that was for 8 years once a week, you kind of get close to kid in that time just a little.

 :scared:  :scared:  :eek:

EIGHT YEARS??  Kids were locked up for EIGHT YEARS???  How can anyone POSSIBLY justify that???

[Anonymous]

You don't know me and you never will.

I know that you kidnap children and take them to abusive gulags. That's enough info for me.

No matter what i say i'm the eveil one.

I believe people who make money out of kidnapping children are evil, yes.

Tell that to the hundreads of kids i coached and transported.

No need for that. These children have lived through hell because of you and your kind. They know what you are and what you do.

You are so judgemental of things you know nothing about!!

I know that you kidnap children. Kidnapping children = abusing children, to me. I tend to be judgemental of people who abuse children.

I am finished with you bone heads. You will say, that i am stoping because i am starting to feel quilty and you are getting to.

No, I think you are leaving because you've finally realized that people here know all about your kind of business, and that no one here is going to stroke your ego or play along with your insane delusions.

You see i can see now how all your minds work,

Like you know how the minds of children "work"? Or the way you know just what kind of "help" does a child "need" based on the rantings of an hysterical parent?

I will continue to make a difference in many kids and parents lives.

I'm sure you will. What on earth will you do with your life if you couldn't keep on playing the role of the Great Savior of American Teens?

Wheather you think so or now. It does not get to me. So good luck in your endevours, how feble they might be. The one that cares

Thank you. Our efforts and endeavours-- those of ISAC, Ginger, and others-- don't seem to be all that feeble: more and more people know the truth about these places, and more people learn the truth every day. It won't be long before all of these abusive gulags will be shut down, and before you, and others like you, will be right where you belong: in prison, for multiple counts of child kidnapping.

[Antigen]

Restraint deaths:

http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?So ... 3&forum=11

Bureaucracy defends the status quo long past the time when the quo has lost its status
--Laurence J. Peter

[Anonymous]

Anon,

I experienced WWASP. I too cried before and during the time my child was enrolled in their facilities. I cried ewven harder when I learned the TRUTH about what transpired behinh their abusive walls.You talk to you son once a week. Have you ever asked him what really happened. Not the surface I'm making better choice stuff, what what occurred that ggives him nightmare you may or may not be aware of.

Have you ever CONFIRMED yopu so called theraphist from Cross Creek are properly licensed?Take the time and call the licensing boards to confirm.

I was in support group with a family whose daughter was at Cross Creek. She was not doing well. She had pulled all of the hair from her head, brows. The parnets didnt believe in medication. They wanted to take her to an outside Dr in La Verkin area. The Program said no way. Very telling in my opinion.

Ask your son if you have the courage.

[Antigen]

On 2004-12-31 00:37:00, Perrigaud wrote:

"Anonymous, no I never did see a girl get restrained for no reason. "

Neither did I. There was always a reason. At the time, even when I was the one pinned to the floor for a couple of hours, I thought it was a reasonably good reason.

Can you please give some examples of the kinds of infractions that would get a kid restrained in the program you were in?

Fear is the parent of cruelty, therefore it is no wonder if religion and cruelty have gone hand-in-hand.
--Bertrand Russell, British philosopher, educator, mathemetician, and social critic

[Antigen]

On 2004-12-31 05:12:00, Anonymous wrote:

Sure kids have rights, but when they start doing drugs, having sex, cutting and failing school and showing no regard for thier parents, then something has to be done to help this kid and if it means sending them to a boarding school then that is the parents right. So the kid has the right to do all these bad things and not have thier life affected by it. Well if that were the case you would be looking up stats on youth deaths, because they would rise dramatically. Your son has been arrested 3 times is that enough to make a decision to send them away?You are the brainwashed. Not us. The one that cares

So your son has been arrested three times. And, so far, the juvenile courts have not found adequate cause to lock him up. So you think our current juvenile justice system is too lenient?? Skip due proccess, go directly to lock-down, do not cleect any evidence?

You really and truely do think you're above the law, don't you? Sadder still, you honestly believe that coerced expressions of gratitude and affection are the same as the real thing? You must be a very lonely man.

By 1940 the literacy figure for all states stood at 96 percent for whites. Eighty percent for blacks. Notice for all the disadvantages blacks labored under, four of five were still literate. Six decades later, at the end of the 20th century, the National Adult Literacy Survey and the National Assessment of Educational Progress say 40 percent of blacks and 17 percent of whites can't read at all. Put another way, black illiteracy doubled, white illiteracy quadrupled, despite the fact that we spend three or four times as much real money on schooling as we did 60 years ago.
--Vin Suprynowicz

[Antigen]

On 2004-12-31 06:16:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Relationship? you talk to him once a week, you hardly see him? wow that is the great relationship I want with my child, get a grip"

This is really funny, in a dark sort of way. When my daughter was going through her troubled teenhood, my biggest worry was her romantic relationship. Eventually, the guy landed up in jail for a year. Once he was away and couldn't watch her so closely all the time, we started hearing from her pretty often. She thought that a little jail time would do him good and everything would work out in the end.

At one point, she said something about how much better their relationship was since he'd gone to jail. So I suggested that she just make plans to have him locked up again whenever he got out so that they could continue to have a "good relationship". It was actually a bright and hopeful moment for me because she knew I was joking. Last time I'd said something like that, about sneaking out to visit us while he was sleeping just like she'd done to us when she lived at home, she didn't get that I was being sarcastic. Now THAT had been a harrowing moment!

As Timecola points out, brainwashing really is not such an unusual thing. And people who are brainwashed are only vaguely aware of it and, generally, very defensive about it.

My best advice to you folks who "just trust the process" and don't need to understand what is being done w/ your will and your reasoning is to remember that most people do snap out of it eventually. In the mean time, don't let your dogma run out in front of your karma.

Were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers, or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter.
Anonymity Anonymous
Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps.

[Anonymous]

On 2004-12-30 21:19:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Want to talk about "REAL" brainwashing?  How about MTV, commercials, magazines, movies, etc,, that depict a sexy woman as thin, perfect make-up, perfect hair, perfect teeth, eye candy.  This is what I call brainwashing because the viewers take it as fact and strive to be "just like them."  Ever see the downside of trying to do that? Bulemia, anorexia, cutting, drugs, suicide? What happens when these kids can't live up to what the media says they should be?

Do your job as a parent and teach them YOUR values, not televisions, and there won't be too much of a problem with it.  

Public schools and AD/HD?  These kids are brainwashed into believing they aren't good enough, smart enough, strong enough to make it without meds or therapy.

Possibly, but again, YOU have control over what meds your child is or isn't on.

It's beyond my comprehension who you guys can slam something that can finally get through to these kids that they don't have to be like the media thinks they should be

Again, YOUR responsibility.

 

and that is COMPLETELY, 100% for THEM and THEIR success.

There's nothing to say about this except BULLSHIT.  It's about $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Thank the Powers that BE that there are media personalities that do whatever they can to change that attitude and belief.  Starting over, Oprah, Dr. Phil, Pat Croce and old re-runs of "Higher Ground."

Well, if you consider Oprah and her croney Phil to be "media" or "journalistic" in any way, then that explains a lot.

Yea, I believe my son would have been "deadorinjail" so stop repeating your same old, same old rebuttal.

No, that's the PROGRAMS same old rebuttal.  That's why we talk about it.  ALL the programs believe that without them the poor unfortunates would be DEADINSANEORINJAIL.  Funny you think it's us that came up with that.

 

Obviously you don't believe in divine intervention and how GOD works through people to make this happen in the physical world.

Well, that's a bit personal but, you're right.  I don't.

I made my mistakes as a parent, but I would have been a bad parent if I HADN't done anything and stood by being a victim to the crisis and let my son die or ruin his life in ways that you don't seem to have experienced.

No, you're a bad parent for turning your kid over to a bunch of psychotics who employ degredation and humiliation as part of their "therapy".

Oh, and BTW....I HAVE experienced my kid going through crisis...more than you could even imagine.  Somehow we muddled through without your beloved program's thought control methods.

 

I won't defend other programs or their "model" because I can't.

Good, maybe we're finally getting somewhere

I'm sorry some of you were abused or hurt mentally or physically by the programs you were in.

Well, I appreciate that but I don't want or need your sympathy.  I want these places to STOP.

 

Very few of any of you on this board actually know WWASPS.

A gross assumption on your part.

I came here a while back to try to understand the WWASPS haters and I see right through most of them.

Yes, we hate WWASP because they continue to abuse children for profit.

 

I understand the folks like Ginger that were traumatized by the programs they were in.  I understand the parents that were victims to their spouses.  I understand the competitors that WWASPS won't pay for their referrals, I understand those that just want parents to keep their child at home.  I wanted so much to keep my son at home and you have NO idea the trauma it caused for me to admit that I couldn't do it alone.  I cried for months prior to and months afterward until I began my own inner work.  You can say or think anything you want, but having WWASPS support really did save my family in more than breath.

Again, appreciate the understanding but it's not necessary.  Don't need it.

Fuck you and your judgments for something you can never understand.

And fuck you and your judgements about us.

 

No, I didn't agree with the whole process 100%, but I would have never put my son in harms way, he was doing that for himself.  Giving him his "rights" We wouldn't have the relationship we have now, based on trust and respect, that we have now.

No, more likely that you have a "relationship" built on fear of abandonment should he step outside of your (WWASP's) lines.

 

Though I don't see him much, he's away at school,

Is this "school" a theraputic/boarding/emotional growth "school"?

 

we talk at least once a week and I never forget to tell him I love him and I'm proud of who he is.

You SHOULD have been doing this all along.  Shame on you that it took this for you to realize that.

 

I did NONE of this, he did it and though he hated being in a program, he tells anyone that ever wants to know that without it where he sees he would be and it was, the at the core, the only thing that would have gotten through to him.

Of COURSE he does.  That's the way he's been programmed to respond to any criticism of the program.

[Anonymous]

I had to write one last thing, because it just goes to show that you are not reading what i write. Kids were not locked up for 8 years. These are kids I coached at youth sports club, not at boarding school. Such an idiot! And i never said it was my kid that had been arrested 3 times, it was an example. See how you twist things, all of you. Read something before you respond and make yourself look like more of an idiot than you are. The one that cares

[Anonymous]

That's why I ASKED.


moron :roll:

[Anonymous]

And just so you know, it's happened before.  That's why I ASKED.

http://thestraights.com/articles/lulu.htm


 Lulu had been in treatment for 13 years for an eating disorder.

[mom2three]

Annon Transporter posted:

"And if i did only see them for once a week, allot of kids that was for 8 years once a week, you kind of get close to kid in that time just a little"

I wanted to bump this up so it is not missed or forgotten.

I can hardly believe this. There are actually children locked up for eight years. There will be no relationship with their family after this. Their party line of deadorinjail is very true in this case, the child is in jail! Do the parents not comprehend that there have been murderers doing less time and how do they ever hope to see their children again?

This is NOT summer camp! If I were one of these children who will probably be adults when released, I would NEVER speak to my family again. How do they expect these kids to rejoin society when released?  I hope this is an exageration as  there is absoloutly NO justification for it! I am just sick. EIGHT YEARS!!!!

[Anonymous]

Well, to be fair, he did respond with this:

On 2004-12-31 08:42:00, Anonymous wrote:

"I had to write one last thing, because it just goes to show that you are not reading what i write. Kids were not locked up for 8 years. These are kids I coached at youth sports club, not at boarding school. Such an idiot! And i never said it was my kid that had been arrested 3 times, it was an example. See how you twist things, all of you. Read something before you respond and make yourself look like more of an idiot than you are. The one that cares"