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« Reply #15 on: November 02, 2004, 04:15:00 PM »
HI Ginger.
Speaking for myself, I'm really not trying to ferret out God's will in this matter, one way or the other. I have said for some time, in this case (assuming we are talking about Amanda) time to let go and let God; believing as I do, He can, and will, work what ever mistakes we might make, out for the best, if we let Him.
My concern here, was simply to point out there are other interpretations of the one post. I wouldn't want any kid to log back on and read it; and then read the following commentary; and think this is what was intended; as they might, if it went without further comment.  I happen to think my interpretation more valid; but really don't want to belabor the point. I only wanted to put my alternative point of view 'out there' for consideration. [ This Message was edited by: BuzzKill on 2004-11-02 13:20 ]
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« Reply #16 on: November 02, 2004, 05:15:00 PM »
And how do you know that this kid, whether it's Amanda or not, being rescued from Craig, isn't the hand of God himself correcting just such a mistake?

Seriously. Not a rhetorical question. What makes you think as you do on this issue?

Oh, one other question. Have you ever met any of the people involved here, except for Craig and, possibly, the anon poster from Coral Springs?

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« Reply #17 on: November 02, 2004, 08:08:00 PM »
I haven't expressed a point of view on that Ginger. Once upon a time, on one of Paige's threads, I conceeded I had no way of knowing what God's will might be on this matter. I say the same now. I do not know. I am not trying to pretend I do. I was not trying to comment on what Amanda should do or did - I do NOT know.
I do not know the kid at all, nor do I know her family. I haven't said I did. But bear in mind - you don't know anything about them either.
I have no idea who is in Coral Springs or even where Coral Springs is; so, I have no idea if I've met them - but I doubt it.
I was only commenting on what I honestly believe was a misunderstanding of the motive and meaning of the so called 'looser goomba's' post. I feel I have a better understanding of what was intended simply from being familiar with the concept of Christian mentoring. Thats all. Nothing more.
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« Reply #18 on: November 02, 2004, 08:51:00 PM »
Karen,
Does your christian mentoring to teens include shame, guilt and fear? Did you read the post? Are you in agreement with what the person (Craig)communicated to Amanda? Particularly after Paige has made it clear on a number of ocassions that she doesn't subscribe to the same religious interpretations, nor does she desire Craig's counsel. She obviously doesn't desire his 'mentoring'. Make sense? It's that simple.
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« Reply #19 on: November 03, 2004, 03:22:00 AM »
I don't know Deb. I guess it might. For instance, when my son steals, I think he should be ashamed. If he does something that hurts someone on purpose, I think that is shameful and he ought to feel it. That feeling is guilt and its what leads to repentance.
I don't know if what was said to this supposed Amanda was appropreate or not. I know nothing about her history and weither or not stern counsel is needed.
I am not as certain as you seem to be the anon poster in question is Craig; but it is certinly someone who knows more than either of us about the situation with Amanda.
Yes, I know Paige has said what you recall here; but the post wasn't addressed to Paige.
I did read the post. I don't "hear" what you hear when reading it. I wanted to explain (mostly for the kid)there is another way of "hearing" it. Simple as that. Really. I am not attempting to cast judgement of any kind; either way.
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« Reply #20 on: November 03, 2004, 09:28:00 AM »
It's a passive-aggressive load of crap.

*True* Christian mentoring would instead ask: "How do *you* think God is going to view your behavior?"

True Christian mentoring would ask the girl to keep praying for guidance and consult her Pastor frequently to keep on the right track.

True Christian mentoring would ask the girl to read the Bible, consult her Pastor, and continue to pray for guidance about how best to honor her father and mother within the meaning of the Bible and Christian belief.

True Christian mentoring would trust God instead of setting itself up to presume to dictate how God feels about and judges current behavior.

The Loser Goomba's post was *not* true Christian mentoring.  It was a load of passive-aggressive bullcrap couched in Christian mentoring *jargon*.

Unfortunately, such loads of passive-aggressive bullcrap are often effective because many believers can't see past the jargon to the distinctly *un*Christian sentiments it conceals.

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« Reply #21 on: November 11, 2004, 02:31:00 PM »
I am Amanda. If ever i should be afaid to use my own name, Help me god.Im not hiding from you people of abundant life academy, finaticals,or anyone else for that matter.
          I will  NOT lie to you! ask me a question ill give you an answer.I am here you know how to find me.you can ask me in private or on this forum.
       OH yes, fanatical one .. u know who u are. OH high and mighty ruler of ALA i know your game and i am playing.and i do it better than you know.
      Thank you all who are supporting me I am  forever greatfull. Thank you so much!
 Viva,  
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« Reply #22 on: November 11, 2004, 02:42:00 PM »
YO Judgement,
REVEAL YOUR SELF - OR ARE U SCARED TO? Cant make you do what you dont want to !
Viva,
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« Reply #23 on: November 11, 2004, 03:53:00 PM »
Amanda---I'm glad you're home and getting the supportive nurturing environment that you need and that all children and young adults deserve.

Good luck and best wishes for the future.

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« Reply #24 on: November 14, 2004, 08:39:00 PM »
That is just the problem Amanda.  You have been playing games for far too long.  whether or not you realize it, you are hurting your future.  The people who are "supporting" you through this forum are not the ones who have been there for you in the past.  They are not the ones who have lost sleep wondering where you are and whether or not you are ok.  You are cutting off the people who truly love you.  You said to ask and you will answer.  Ok, how do you justify the pain you have put your sisters through?   Your only concern has been yourself.  Don't you care about them?  And, by the way, you are way off.  I am not part of ALA.  It is not rocket science to follow the threads over the past severall months to see what is really going on.  You keep on playing your games.  You have fooled yourself, you have fooled those who have taken pity on your parents demonstrating tough love.  But, Viva, you do not fool the Lord.  What I think, and what those you have fooled think, really doesn't matter.  What does matter is what the Lord thinks.  You are a smart girl.  You have a Bible.  Pick it up and see for yourself what God has to say about what you have been doing - your total disrespect and dishonoring of your parents.  I am not your judge, nor are your supporters mine.  Because I do care about you, I will not be silent and encourage you to continue in your sinning.  Better are the wounds of a friend than the kisses of an enemy.  Those who are supporting you, really are not your friends.  They do not care about your eternal salvation.  If they did, they would be telling you the same things I have been telling you.  The Lord will hold you accountable for your actions and your rebelliousness.  You will never find true peace and fulfillment as long as you live contrary to God's word.  You and I both know that you know that to be true.  Plead ignorance and deny it all you want, but, you have been raised to know the truth.  You can run, you can hide, but you can't fool the Lord.  He knows your heart.  Wisdom would dictate that you be more concerned with what God has to say to you, than the words of your supporters via this forum.  Only God can give you eternal salvation, they can't.  Viva, I will continue to pray that the Lord open your eyes and soften your heart.  It is not too late to turn your feet from the path that you are walking.  I pray that God give you no peace as long as you walk contrary to Him.  As long as you live rebelliously, I pray that you have no peace.  I pray that God bless you as you turn your heart to Him.  As far as being scared, the only thing you need be scared of, is turning your back on the Lord.  For you to even say that, is an indication that your are very insecure in your choices.  Obviously, no one else cares enough about you to tell you the truth.
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« Reply #25 on: November 14, 2004, 09:04:00 PM »
Annon said to Amanda:

   "I pray that God give you no peace as long as you walk contrary to Him. As long as you live rebelliously, I pray that you have no peace. I pray that God bless you as you turn your heart to Him.

Is this really what Christ would encourage you to do? To pray that a child has no peace? Why don't you pick up the Bible and read it for yourself?
You are praying that a child find misery and pain in life.  Not very Christian of you my friend[ This Message was edited by: cherish wisdom on 2004-11-14 18:05 ]
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« Reply #26 on: November 15, 2004, 09:43:00 AM »
Amanda, just ignore the brainwashed fool who speaks of god.

The bible itself says there will be liars and false prophets.

As for the anonymous bullshitter, fuck you. You're just a brainwashed fuck who'se following a fairytale. You don't know two shits about god, you just know what some men have told you or you think a book told you. YOU do not fool us, or the god you believe in. You are not going to just brainwash her with fears of hell and the supernatural.

If she was abused at some place, even if her parents made her go, and even if this place is 'christian' as it can be, she was still abused. You can't just do anything you want and have god on your side becuase your say so. This is not about rebelliousness its about her escaping from abuse. If that is rebellious in YOUR eyes, then tough shit. Get with the real world and stop hiding under your pages of scripture and the authority of someone else. If god really is the ultimate judge then you'll find out eventually (and not a moment too soon!) That its not acceptable to just follow authority, JUST because its 'authority', especially when it hurts you or someone else.

You're full of shit and that girl isn't buying any of it, but you are making me rather amused.

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« Reply #27 on: November 18, 2004, 06:14:00 PM »
THANK YOU!!
   Thanks Nihilanthic! You are right im not going to let any one Brian wash me and im not going to let any one bring me down!
     
    You people can critisize all you want to but that doesnt mean u can bring me down with you. Are we not supose to encourage each other with "brotherly love " are u doing this ! ?
I dont under stand u people. it is not my place to say if your religion is right or wrong. So it is none of your buiseness to judge my life and say if i am rght or wrong as well!
   you can comunicate to me by private message if u wish to !
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« Reply #28 on: November 19, 2004, 11:49:00 AM »
I have waited a long time to write anything in this forum.  Especially because I know anonymous is not really anonymous.  The keepers of this site seem to have no problem telling others who or where the posts came from.  But after much thought I decided to take the chance.  I happen to know Amanda, Paige, the extended family and adoptive parents quite well.  I know that the C's adopted Amanda only after at least seven other homes rejected her, including Paige, and Amanda's aunt, uncles, and other friends of theirs.  I know the C's went into this knowing it would be difficult, but knew that every child deserved a home and deserved to be loved.  I do know Paige well and know that she took Jon because he was the easiest of the two and always said that Amanda was not good for him.  I know Amanda was often called Demanda by her biological family.  I know that from day one the C's recognized that Amanda struggled with telling the truth and she often made up stories about her biological mom trying to get her back.  I was the recipient of one of these stories.  I know the C's loved and still love her.  I know Amanda was offered every opportunity in the world.  She traveled, went to camp, she took dance, gymnastics, tennis,snow skiing, snow boarding, voice, she played volleyball, and basketball.  I know she was often verbally and physically abusive to her sisters.  But the C's still loved her and tried everything to get her to realize that love.  I know that the reason AManda did not return to the private school and was  homeschooled is because she failed.  She failed not because she couldn't do the work, but because she refused to.  Public school was not an option because she always chose friends that were not positive influences for her.  Remember the C's have two other children that had to be protected from Amanda's choices.  I also know that the reason Amanda ran was because she was caught with her boyfriend at a babysitting job after lying about his presence there.  I also know that she had been bringing him in thru her bedroom window to sleep with her the week prior to her running, and she bragged about it to her friends at church.  I also know that her boyfriend was on probation at school for drug use.  Instead of forbidding her from seeing him, the C's encouraged him to go to church and even paid for him to attend the youth retreat the day Amanda ran.  I know Amanda was picked up at a Meth lab.  She chose not to come home.  I know that the C's asked to stay home and go to couseling as a family to work things out, but she chose to go to boarding school.  I know they even asked her the day she went to Mex. to stay home but she chose to leave.  I also know that Mrs. C went to Mexico to visit and returned excited about Amanda and her desires.  They talked about Amanda's return.  Amanda told all kinds of stories about being angry at Paige for posting on this site.  Paige supposedly told Amanda that Mrs. C was a druggie and had a sleazy past.  All lies, I have known both Mr and Mrs. C for most of their lives.  These are people that offer their home to anyone in need of a home.  They truly offer the love and hospitality that the Bible talks about.  True religion is caring for the widows and the fatherless or something like that they would say.  I am not part of their religious beliefs, but know they are devoted to loving others and I have been the recipient of that love many times.  Amanda, you have hurt many people, friends, family, your little sister still cries every day because she loves you so much.  But most of all you are hurting you by trying to live out this lie.  You even lied to get Paige and the L's to agree to get you when you ran away.  There was never any talk of sending you any where else.  The only talk was of you being home and the anticipation of reuniting the family.  Amanda, in some ways I agree with others advice to you on this site about not being brainwashed.  Make up your mind for yourself.  Has it ever occurred to you that Paige might be the one trying to brainwash you?  You should be close to 18 now.  Think for yourself, but try to remember the truth, not all the lies you have been telling for so long.  I think maybe you have told the lies so much that you have begun to believe them.
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« Reply #29 on: November 19, 2004, 12:11:00 PM »
More attempts to shame? No wonder Amanda wanted to get the hell away from her parents and their nosey friends.

I hope Ginger will divulge your identity if Amanda decides to sue you for public slander. And/or remove your post to protect her privacy.
Even if everything you said were true, do you consider this public forum an appropriate place to do so? Who did you imagine your audience to be? The public? Paige? Amanda? If the latter, a private letter or message would have been more appropriate.

If your agenda was to paint Amanda in a negative light, you failed. You have just proven how low a righteous, nosey busy-body will stoop. Perhaps Amanda could come back with some stories about your private life. Wouldn't that be fun? Does a teen deserve any less respect and consideration?
What a disgusting human specimen you are.
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