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« on: October 09, 2004, 10:24:00 PM »
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 Speaking of people who just got home I just came back from Abundant Life Academy on July 15. Got there on November 13 2003 and was there 8 in a half months. While I was there at first back in November things were good spiritually we had american staff that were some what allright. Then my third month into the hell hole it started changing drasticly emotionaly and spiritually. We did have times when there was fun but mostly when we would sneak out and buy ciggerttes or alcohol. Or steal pills to snort in the cottages at night while the mexican night staff where asleep. Stealing gas from the shed and huffing it until my mind gos numb. We really did have some great times there my third day I ran away with two other guys there heading for the border. At the end of my time around 9 months there were things that went on like sleep deprevation, or making someone wear a blind fold for 7 days, cant talk, see, or respond. "O just keep em in tha hole "new opportuniy room" until is time is served to where we can through him in a different program because of the sh*t he causes here" Well have some students sorround him like night staff and kick his ass if he runs. Trust me we did make plans on doing such a thing especially since we had a staff tell us that it was perfectly allright aslong as we dont hit him in the face. Fu*ked up. I was a night staff at level three. Finally getting at the point where I am willing to kiss a$$ to leave. It worked. This student that was treated like this is no out of the program because his dad snached him out. I talked to him just the other day. He was driving back from New York with staff that used to work with ALA. I was there nearly 9 months for the same old reasons that others are like drug use, drug dealing, gang affiliation, trouble with law, family, and etc. I had cummunity service time due the february before I left. Well the program never sent my records from cumm. serv. wrk from when I was ther to my P.O. so now I have a warrant out for my arrest. They didnt send any of my school work out. Unorganized and irresponsible. Im starteing to wunder why Craig is hiding for so long in the Republic. Well good lock on your war for the fu*ked hypocrits. Lates
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« Reply #1 on: October 09, 2004, 10:26:00 PM »
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« Reply #2 on: October 14, 2004, 05:30:00 PM »
I have also come home from the Abundant Life Academy.I got there March 7th and got back home in Auguest.
     It was an awfull experience. Unsupervised un organized.Our house did not have toilet paper, a lot of the girls didnt have sheets and pillows. We didnt have a lot of every day needs.
    Yes some say this is so that you are striped from your comfort zone to learn a lesson or correct your behavior.HOWEVER not giving a kid her Meds. or not giving a kid the right food  they need, or not letting them go to a doctor cause they are sick and the " SCHOOL" doesnt want to have to pay for it or they dont have any money. That is bull sh*t !
      I think this young man is right on it ! Ya i wonder why our dear friend Craige has spent so much time in the Republic? hmm ... lets think about this ... !
      Craige is a great wonderfull buisness man and is slick and cool. He wont fu!# up.HE is a grat buisness man.
     This so called "school" Aboundant Life Academy" Is a load of sh*t. It needs to be shut down or checked out. I garentee that it would not meet the requirements needed to run such a place.
You GO MAN!
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« Reply #3 on: October 30, 2004, 06:41:00 PM »
Dearest "Viva", you should be ashamed of yourself for all the grief you put your parents and your sisters through.  It is because they love you that your father took you to ALA.  You had been making choices that were dangerous to your future well being (I am sure you don't want me to post for the public the things you had been doing).  Your mom and dad cared enough about you to sacrifice their needs, their finances, and your sisters' needs to try to help you.

Did you bother to think of anyone but yourself when you ran away when you first got down to Mexico, taking a younger student with you?  Do you realize the other student has a medical condition, and your selfishness could have resulted in her dying?  Do you even care?

You can justify all you want, but God is not mocked.  You will have to give an account to Him for your rebellious attitude towards your parents.  

The Bible says to honor your parents.  You have done anything but honor them.  Your behavior and example to your younger brother and your younger sister has been dishonorable.  

Justify your actions all you want, but when it is all said and done, you will not be able to manipulate the Lord as you have done with your brother's adoptive mother.

You have twisted information that has resulted in your brother's adoptive mother to bad mouth your mom and dad on the web.  If that is not bad enough, others who post on this forum have jumped in the act and have also bad mouthed your parents.  Your parents are good loving, caring parents.  You and I both know that is the truth.  What is more, God knows that is the truth.  

When the world starts to close in on you, remember Amanda, you have brought it upon yourself.  God is not mocked.  You will reap what you have sown.  However, God has been merciful to you. The Lord has shown graciousness to you for the sake of your younger sister who loves you and misses you so much.  God is patient.  But, don't kid yourself.  He will not allow you to continue down this path forever.

And, Amanda, the profanities used by you in your postings really are unbecoming of you.  How a young woman who has been blessed with such an abundance of physical beauty can utter such ugliness is beyond me.

As appauled as I am by your behavior, I continue to pray for you, as I have done since you first arrived in Mexico with your father.  It really bothers me to see how you continue to choose to ruin your life.  You are so good at manipulating and deceiving, you have deceived yourself into believing that you are doing ok and that you have done nothing wrong.
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« Reply #4 on: October 30, 2004, 07:07:00 PM »
Dear Church Lady,
Did it ever occur to you that some of us would rather not hear your biblical predictions for, and rantings about this young woman.
Did you ask her permission to discuss or divulge things about her that are of a personal nature, on a public forum? Shouldn't you leave that to her and her family? What a nosey busy-body. What's at stake in this for you, except for the obvious pleasure of shaming a child.
If you trust in your lord and god, why don't you back off and let them handle the situation. Looks like they're doing a pretty damn good job thus far. Without any assisstance from you.
I think the Jesus I've read about would not condone shaming a child.
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« Reply #5 on: October 30, 2004, 11:26:00 PM »
Question, Anon. Have you ever met any of these people you're talking about face to face? Ever met Viva? Her brother? Her brother's adoptive mother? Any of them? If not, what is the basis for your stated beliefs about them? Are you even sure that Viva is Amanda? You might be surprised.

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« Reply #6 on: October 31, 2004, 12:52:00 PM »
Viva--I assure you that if this used-god-salesman Loser posts allegations about what you had or hadn't gotten into as a teen that the rest of us are *not* going to think badly of you.  We're not going to even allow that they might be true without a *large* grain of salt because so many of these kids in so many of these teen RTCs have been coerced, if they didn't have enough bad behaviors, to make up a few in order to "comply" and get the hell out.

Unlike our religious-fanatic non-friend, we have heard the smaller, more expressive words of the English language before, and aren't inclined to hold those against you, either.

As for what that Loser Goomba who oh-so-lovingly tells you he thinks God ought to torture you with fire and brimstone says about what his god has in store for you, take a brief moment to imagine what the muslims think *their* god has in store for *him*.

You, like anyone and everyone else in this world, should get your head together and not do overtly secularly self-destructive things, and should treat other people nicely, but you should do it for yourself because it will make you a person *you* like.  Not to say you aren't already, mind you, that's just my general ongoing life advice for *everybody*--including me.

But you should also strive to ignore the Loser Goomba.  His way lies not happiness and peace, but self-righteous obsession and perpetual preachiness as a *substitute* for happiness and peace.  True happiness and peace comes from breaking secularly self-destructive habits and thought patterns, and from making yourself into, every day, a person you like by doing nice things and *remembering that you've done them* (and by avoiding being gratuitously mean to others).

Some would say I'm being gratuitously mean by calling Craig (or his net personality clone) a Loser Goomba, and it *is* mean, but not gratuitous.  I think anyone who pushes belief in a punitive god that tortures people and claims to know who that god's intended future victims are *deserves* a little pointed criticism.

Live your life.  Learn to do something each and every day that makes you a little bit more into a person you like and admire.  Keep track of the gratuitously nice things you do each day, whether it's holding the door for someone, a friendly smile at a cashier or other someone who needs one,  a genuine compliment, or some other nice act, big or small.  Write them down in a journal.  When you get low, read over them.

And make a special point of ignoring Loser Goomba Used God Salesmen.

That doesn't mean you should ignore your spirituality.  It just means that genuinely spiritual counselors and leaders will be the people who do and say nice things and kind things, and avoid doing and saying bad or cruel things.  When you meet a minister like that, in the faith of your choice, listen to him/her--that's a wise person.  Follow his/her example and seek out his/her advice.

The Anonymous Loser Goomba is clearly spiritually bankrupt, and doesn't know it.  "He who knows not and knows not that he knows not is a Fool, avoid him."---Mr. Griffin, history teacher, veteran, and very wise old man (probably quoting someone else).

Best wishes in your life for you to grow to become, more and more each day for all your life, a nice person you like and admire.

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« Reply #7 on: October 31, 2004, 01:36:00 PM »
Timoclea,
Where does the "looser Goomba" say God will torture anyone?
I think your reading things into the statement in question that are not there; based on your own preconceived prejudices.

We (Christians) are taught very clearly God chastises those whom he loves. If we call ourselves by His name, and we are willfully disobedeant; God will allow circumstances to get our attention and bring us to repentance. This is not "torture". No where did the "looser goomba" say anything about torture; or fire and brimstone; and this is not what was ment, I am almost certain. But rather the Love of God that will not let His own stray to far without redirection.

As for what the moon god might do with he, she or me - It is not an issue. He does seek to destroy us; but we have a wonderful counselor who defends us.
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« Reply #8 on: November 01, 2004, 08:28:00 AM »
BuzzKill---Sure.  Loser Goomba's comments on God not letting Viva do or continue to do things Loser Goomba disapproves of were all about God tickling her with a feather or applying 50 lashes with a wet noodle.  Riiiiight.  And don't pay any attention to that man behind the curtain who talks about lakes of fire and weeping and gnashing of teeth.

You may believe what you're saying, but I think any *rational* person would read Loser Goomba's posts as threats that his god would do Bad Things to her if she didn't change her life to live Loser Goomba's way.

Misunderstanding my ass.

Passive aggressive bullshit trip, more like.

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« Reply #9 on: November 01, 2004, 11:12:00 AM »
Well, everyone is entitled to they own opinion :smile:
I thought you might feel that way, no matter how I tried to explain it. However, I wouldn't want any of the kids who might read this to see only your point of view. There IS another perspective and it seems important to me they realize this.
I do honestly believe the post was intended as a reminder that God will not allow His sheep to stray without correction. On a related note, the only Peace and safety to be had is in the center of God's will. I know most everyone will have points to quibble with and that's OK. I don't mean to be "arguing". I only wish to have the other perspective also represented.
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« Reply #10 on: November 01, 2004, 12:06:00 PM »
What I heard is a lot of fearful, shame based threats, predictions, and evaluations. Children learn what they live. Is this the method used at ALA? Are you trying to put some kind of religious curse on this child? Do you really care about her well-being or are you desperately needing to publicly target her with the frustration you feel because she is no longer in 'care'. Sounds like she and her family don't desire the 'care' you have to offer? Can't help but think that is a good thing.

Shame: Dearest "Viva", you should be ashamed of yourself

Threat: You had been making choices that were dangerous to your future well being (I am sure you don't want me to post for the public the things you had been doing).

Fearful Threat: You will have to give an account to Him for your rebellious attitude towards your parents.

Judgement: Your behavior and example to your younger brother and your younger sister has been dishonorable.

Fearful Threat: you will not be able to manipulate the Lord as you have done with your brother's adoptive mother.

Fearful Threat: Your parents are good loving, caring parents. You and I both know that is the truth. What is more, God knows that is the truth.

Fearful Prediction: When the world starts to close in on you, remember Amanda, you have brought it upon yourself.

Fearful Threat/Prediction: God is patient. But, don't kid yourself. He will not allow you to continue down this path forever.

Judgement/Evaluation: It really bothers me to see how you continue to choose to ruin your life. You are so good at manipulating and deceiving, you have deceived yourself into believing that you are doing ok and that you have done nothing wrong.
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« Reply #11 on: November 01, 2004, 01:26:00 PM »
I understand you, and no doubt many others, view this post this way. I can understand why you would. My only point is, not everybody does, and I 'hear' something very different when I read it.
I have tried to explain why.
As for Children living what they learn - I know. This is so. But we are not talking about a preschooler or grade schooler. These kids are teenagers and are not nearly as likely to accept a false image as a result of a false message - except when it comes from a peer group. And, It may be high time someone explained they are accountable for their actions and words and that youth with all of life before it can make grave mistakes.  
Also, bear in mind, these particualr kids are professing Christians. This makes it entirely appropreate for other (and hopefully more mature) Christians to instruct them as to living a Christian life.
One Christain may tell another, you are goofing up big time; and be only doing what is their responsability as a brother or sister in Christ; when this same statement would be out of line with a non-belevor who hadn't asked for any such feedback.
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« Reply #12 on: November 01, 2004, 01:55:00 PM »
This family has said repeatedly that they do not desire to be evaluated and 'instructed' by you. There has been ample discussion between the two parties to clearly discern that the two parties are not in agreement in terms of their individual interpretations of the bible, nor in their definitions of what being a christian entails.

Let it go. I've heard the Serenity Prayer works for some control freaks.
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« Reply #13 on: November 01, 2004, 06:18:00 PM »
Seems to me it be you trying to control things here. I can't recall any instance where "this Family" (tho its unclear what family and what "two parties" you mean) has said they had no intrest in what I (or anyone) might say.
I can't help but think you are speaking for yourself and projecting your opinions onto others who have made no statement of the kind.  
If you have no interest - by all means skip it - but its not your place to announce nobody else does.
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« Reply #14 on: November 02, 2004, 02:19:00 PM »
To the best of my understanding, all parties involved w/ this kid are professing Christians, including the kid herself. Some of those professing Christians seem to be saying that they are speaking for God when they insist that the other Christians are making mistakes. And they know it because God told him so. So then, how do you know whether or not you have a higher claim on God's intentions then the other Christians do? Does God assign rank in cases such as these? Can't you guys just figure out who outranks who and settle it that way?

When we talk to God, we call it prayer. When God talks to us, we call it schizophrenia.

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