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[Anonymous]

Carey


Joined: 2003-01-18
Posts: 745  Posted: 2004-02-01 11:15:00  
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From what I?ve heard from Sue, it might be a good idea to involve other parents and focus on the abuse and mistreatment. I was not speaking to that because I had not witnessed it.



Your reality Anon is so warped. Amberly said this. She said she had not witnessed abuse and mistreatment. How is it that you see that as not going into more detail.

Have you seen the three different sworn statements that Amberly has made? None of them are the same. How do you explain that? She admits in this email that she had not witnessed any abuse. However, she hooks up with Sue and hears Sue's accounts of abuse, then her sworn statment changes.

Amberly has three statements that she has released, one in the court case of a child at Dundee that I spoke of on an earlier thread, another she sent to the PANI and the third that she gave to Sue for her to use in her case against WWASP. They are all different. Why? Especially why have they changed so drastically since her hooking up with Sue?

Are you calling me a lunatic because I am sharing this info? Are you calling me a lunatic because it contradicts what you would like for everyone to beleive? Why are you calling me a lunatic, is it because that is all you know to do?

One thing you are right about, I did flip when I saw the third document. You know why? Because she lies. If you have three totally different sworn statements and they are all different, well then, two of them, or maybe even all three of them are a lies. How do you know when she is telling the truth? Is it when she tells what you what you want to hear? Well for me that is not good enough. I want to know what the truth is, not because it is what I want to hear but because it is the truth, and I can tell you this, I don't think what she tells as the truth can ever be beleived. Her version of the truth changes depending on who she is telling it for.


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[Anonymous]

On 2004-09-27 01:58:00, Anonymous wrote:

"You sound like some born again preacher...all wwaspies go to hell if they haven't accepted Isaac or whatever child advocate position your pushing as the true gospel.. Your speech betrays thee and shows the transparent lunacy of your ideology....Oh and by the way like I said earlier get a real life...."

I have a life.  It doesn't include complacently ignoring it when groups of greedy folks scam desperate but hysterical parents out of their kids' college funds, and then mistreat the kids.

Timoclea

[Anonymous]

Karen? When the water system linked to the town failed, Lichfield either didn't want to (or couldn't afford) to fix it. He used the Dundee well, and made everybody sick.



Yep. To right.
Nearly killed my kid from the sound of it. Blowing from both ends; rash; shortness of breath.
He wrote me a long email discribing it.
But the odd thing was, I didn't get the email until a month or so after he wrote it.
It was Nate's account of this illness and the "bunch of shots" the nurse at Dundee gave him which put him to sleep. It somehow never got sent. Can't imagian why. . .
And I don't know how or why it got sent when it did. I have wondered about that. I had already pulled Nate. . .I wonder if someone felt I ought to know and sence he was already gone. . .But I don't know.
When I called to ask about it - whats up with this - I was told it was a reaction to eating a tomatto - and nobody knew anything about any shots.
What a crock.

[Anonymous]

One correction.
The water didn't fail.
He didn't want to pay for it. The city water was to expensive. So they cut it off and gave the kids untreated well water. The parents were not informed of this money saving switch; or the consequences to the kids health. The kids were told they had the Costa Rican flu.

[Anonymous]

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I've noticed a lot of parents and some program "brainwashed" kids themselves have defended the programs. Maybe they did you some good. But think of all of the kids it damaged. WWASP would never even think to show you the downside to their program - of course not. We children and parents have to create our own anti-wwasp webpages, which are in fact getting taken down more and more every day by WWASP itself. Has anybody noticed how some websites you can't access which are anti-wwasp? Or how one website may be there one day, and then gone the next. Yes, the programs may do some good, but it certainly has done it's share of bad. It has taken it's toll on me. I was at Casa by the Sea for four months for disrespect to parents. I've been back for about six months now. I have nightmares almost every other night about being chased down by a staff member at Casa, or being trapped and having no control. Even about being murdered while on the facility. It haunts me day and night. Until I turned 18, I was living in fear constantly, not knowing if they'd send me there again or not. For four months I had no physical contact, and I was emotionally starved. I felt beaten emotionally, and abandoned. I was told daily how I wasn't wanted, and my family was on vacation without me. How they didn't even care if I wasn't home. We would be sent to R&R for such small things as talking to someone. At R&R we would have to sit on the ground with our back straight and stare at the wall for hours at a time, putting much strain on the lower back. Sometimes you would even be thrown on the ground and sat on. The seminars themselves I can honestly say have scarred my for life. I was forced to stand up in front of 200 teenage strangers and admit my most deepest darkest secret. I felt naked, alone, and so incredibly vulnerable. I would be watched constantly, even when I showered and slept, and I felt like some cow part of a cattle on a demonic ranch. There wasn't a night I would cry myself to sleep. I'd drag myself through the day, and thoughts of suicide would haunt me every hour. I don't think I can ever experience anything worse. As far as it helping me? It didn't. I am just as distant from my parents as before, except with more fear, loneliness and anger built up on top of that. They have apologized repeatedly for sending me there, and yet it's still hard to believe that the two people I love the most in this world could have done something like this. There is nothing horrible enough in this world to deserve getting sent to a place like that. If you call this help, then please, don't ever try to help me. There were no treatment programs for drug users. A rehab would have been better. Withdrawal symptoms combined with abondonment just made people depressed and reserved. As far as parent/child relationships go - you'll have your kid begging to bring you home, telling you good things. But the longer they stay, the more anger is built. And as soon as they come home, all these issues come out of nowhere. It's a damaging place. Maybe it does do some good, but not for everyone. They don't decline anyone access. They want your money so bad they'll tell you anything to get your kid in there. Anti-social? Drug-user? Smart-mouth? Bad-grades? We'll take them. It's awful. Getting sent to a program for staying out past curfew for an hour two nights in a row? It's ridiculous. Even if you seem like your kid is out of control, there ARE better options, I promise you. This place is hell on earth - take it from a scarred survivor of a program. Read my experiences at: http://www.freerick.org/blog/carcar716/casaentries.txt It's a journal I kept while at the program, I think you'll understand fully how dangerous these types of places can be.

[Antigen]

How come when a kid is accused of being oppositional or defiant by one parent, it's an open and shut case, the kid is at fault. But when WWASP (and their forerunners) are repeatedly, constantly accused of child abuse by a broad variety of people, it's all just a pack of dirty rotten lies and slander?

Again and again and again and again until, finally, the general public gets up to speed on this particular brand of snake oil.

I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use

--Galileo Galilei

[Anonymous]

Ginger:  I think it's because the kid is not raking in money hand over fist to be oppositional and defiant, while WWASPS is raking in money hand over fist warehousing these kids in the cheapest way possible.  Obviously, the kid has *much* more incentive to lie.  Sure.

Timoclea