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« Reply #45 on: September 15, 2004, 11:06:00 AM »
There's Pacific View Retreat (WWASP) in Ensenada.
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« Reply #46 on: September 15, 2004, 11:27:00 AM »
I believe that Pacific View Retreat (WWASPS) in Ensenada is for over-18's.  IOW, it is the "secondary" placement for kids still enough under the Program's or their parent's influence that they move on to this small facility.  Parents still have to fork over big bucks, but some apparently don't trust their kids, even after 18, enough to let them come home or go to college or whatever.

One scary thought: a large number of "successful"  WWASPS graduates go to work in program-type occupations...escorts, counselors, recruiters.  A few graduates posting in The Source say they are completing college courses geared toward a psych degree.  Wouldn't you hate to inadvertently send your troubled teen to a psychologist whose life-forming experience was in WWASPS?????
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« Reply #47 on: September 15, 2004, 05:56:00 PM »
There are also those kids whose parents manage to get a court order keeping them in the program even after they turn 18. They are often transferred to Pacific View.

I agree with spots-- the thought of a WWASP-educated psychologist is scary. BTW, I believe that the reason so many of them are going into this field is due to the all-important objective of cult expansion. In a few short years, they will use their degrees to recruit new members into their insane cult.

Another abusive facility in Mexico that should be shut down in Positive Impact.
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« Reply #48 on: September 15, 2004, 08:39:00 PM »
These psychologists who work at the "tough love" torture academies often look the other way when abuse occurs. They are a huge part of the overall problem.  They are breaching their professional duties under law and many deserve to have their licenses to practice revoked.  

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« Reply #49 on: September 16, 2004, 11:06:00 AM »
The program i was in had girls and guy tell all kinds of stories about big tough guys coming and hand cuffing them and lierally draging them out of their house.while they kick and scream..Now want to know is where are the parents when this happens? some say they went out so they dont have to listen to their kids screaming.One girl said that her uncle was just in his room.That makes a kid feel real special and loved.I dont know i think its just wrong. if you think your kid needs to be in a place like that have the balls to take them your self and the check the place out!!!  ::heart::
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« Reply #50 on: September 26, 2004, 09:48:00 PM »
Hello - and what does Mexico get out of this?  Wellll   - How about 3 complete school campus, and computers, and everyone's belongings that were left behind. They were so worried about abuse that they made some girls at Genesis take off their shoes and leave them there!  This after they separated the teachers, and then students were separated according to who would lie and say they were abused.  The girls who went along and agreed they were abused, received water and food all day, the other girls - little food, no water and no bathroom privledges from 8am - 8 pm. Come on - folks, this after being invaded by 40 Federales in full uniform - guns, and billieclubs, and another 20 or so at the gates.  All for 26 teen girls, and 6 pastor/teachers. Wow they were really a threat!  And the shoes were removed because they might have something hidden in them!!  Hello  - are we talking teen criminals, or abused children?  The Mexican gov't did all the abusing at this school - and it is totally ridiculous that they are being allowed to get away with it!  Then of course - because they were such a high risk  - they were escorted from Rosarito Beach to the border in a bus, by 10 police cars with lights a flashing!!  Wow - what was that all about?  This isn't even 1/2 of what went on with the Mexican Gov't , and our American  Consulate - who supposedly " Did not have a clue"!
   How be some of us ask our American Gov't for a full accounting of where all of the assets are going?  This is like a "free pass" for the Baja area - they now have 3 new schools  - fully equipped!  
  Just a grandmother who heard 1'st hand exactly what went on down there!
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« Reply #51 on: September 26, 2004, 10:53:00 PM »
First hand? I don't know about your allegations regarding the Mexican gov't, but in terms of them confiscating the 'goods'... I guess it could be considered the price of (consequence for) doing business illegally in Mexico. I imagine that they aren't enjoying having their arrogant and defiant behavior modified.
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« Reply #52 on: September 26, 2004, 11:53:00 PM »
You ought to see what we do to Mexican illegals. Never mind how we deal with nutty religious cults!

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« Reply #53 on: September 26, 2004, 11:55:00 PM »
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« Reply #54 on: September 27, 2004, 12:06:00 AM »
The government of Mexico has the right to decide who they want in their country.  The whole Casa boondoggle has always seemed remarkably cavalier about getting the proper documents and approval for individual kids to actually move to Mexico and live there and go to school there.

The general impression I've gotten from the various discussions, including from the pro-program posters on this forum, has always been that they thought Mexico was a backward little country where they could basically get away with doing whatever they wanted.

Well, they found out otherwise.

You go to a country illegally and stay there illegally, it just naturally follows that sometimes when you become a nuisance there you get deported.

If Mexico doesn't *want* facilities like Casa in it's country, Mexico has the complete sovereign right not to allow those facilities to do business in its country.

WWASPS seemed to think they were above the law.  They found out otherwise.

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« Reply #55 on: September 27, 2004, 03:07:00 AM »
As to what the Mexican government hoped to gain...physically...by closing Casa?

ISAC has documentation about the assets of WWASPS schools, which I believe.  The company has expanded so rapidly with virtually zero capitalization because it leases EVERYTHING. The crumbling failed hotel that was Casa is on a poor piece of land, a skinny cliffside stretch between a freeway and a steep drop to the beach. It's not even a nice beach.  And, it's 12 miles or so outside of Ensenada, with no services (restaurants, resort amenities, transportation) around.  It *failed* as a hotel, folks, and it's still a failure.  The important thing is that WWASPS didn't buy it or improve it.  They just leased it, so it must still belong to the same Mexican businessmen it always did. The old hotel is an adobe strip motel, circa 1960, and they have added many trailers for dorms, at least in the girls' area (leased?).  WWASPS leases their computers, their sorry metal bunkbeds, the crude picnic tables in the cafeteria...and even the staff, which is "leased" by way of a temporary-help agency. I have friends in Ensenada who work for an agency that supplies workers to many of the ex-patriot American schools and compounds. WWASPS doesn't even have any *real* employees at their outlying locations.

I understand the family owning the Dundee site in Costa Rica forgave purchase of the site in exchange for WWASPS help in jump-starting a monied American presence on the West Slopes, because eco-tourism wasn't cutting it for them.  Again, a failed hotel sat mouldering, a tiny chunk of the vast landholdings of this family.  The kids were crammed 12 to a hotel room...weren't they, Karen?  When the water system linked to the town failed, Lichfield either didn't want to (or couldn't afford) to fix it.  He used the Dundee well, and made everybody sick.

There's no "angels" waiting with open wallets to fork over the hundreds of thousands needed to bring these old hotels up to standard.  Do you suppose insurance is going to pay for rebuilding Tranquility Bay?  Maybe, but working those kids is more than "therapy": it is cheap labor without spending any of the $70 million annual income (which has been documented as having 75% of foreign tuition off the top go to Utah, with the remaining 25%...still a big chunk...going to the local facility).

When the San Diego Union-Tribune wrote the story about Casa kids getting off buses after having been deported, the sappy reporter mentioned the sad little item about them arriving with only what they could carry in laundry baskets.  Well, hello!...that's all they had at Casa.  Lower Levels have a small plastic laundry basket they shove under their bunks...all their worldly possessions like bar soap, toothbrushes, paperback books, underwear.  One of the priveleges of Upper Level is a larger laundry basket.  Apparently the grandmother with first-hand information failed to determine just what "all their belongings" left behind constituted.

From pictures taken at the Casa gates, it would appear the Mexican police ("federales"??) stationed about 5 or 6 officers at the entrance, maintaining order while parents picked up children, officials moved boxes of papers, etc. Let's see, with 538 kids being moved, a squadron of 40 cops equals about 10 or 12 kids per cop, which I think is pretty appropriate for authorities wanting the smoothest, least terrifying deportation. Would this grandmother be happier with a dozen cops marching the kids with machine guns off to the buses?  BTW, guns and billieclubs (sic) are part of the uniform of law enforcement, even in the US.

WWASPS took over an abandoned "insane asylum" in Iowa, and you can bet they didn't purchase it outright.  The closed Bell Academy in Victorville was still in escrow as a lease when the country wisely shut it down for using kids to remove asbestos and other bad stuff from yet another shabby WWASPS facility. St. Elizabeth in Jamaica is a very out-of-the-way village beyond usual tourist visits, and it also has...ta-da!...a failed hotel.  Wonder if Jamaica is calculating closing this school so the government can take over the lease that WWASPS probably holds.

The problem with all these locations is that nobody wanted them in the first place.  These are LOSER resorts, and no government is going to plot a closure in order to confiscate crumbling hovels.
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« Reply #56 on: September 27, 2004, 04:40:00 AM »
Some times the ignorance of the uninformed is insufferable and I am continually amazed to the level of it in this forum.  So many people post here on things they know nothing about but because it fits their own ideological agenda slander is pursued with religious fever... The ends some how justifies the means however untrue or inaccurate if you will. As a former staff at Dundee here are the facts from one who was there first hand and a up-date on what's the latest on the Dundee fiasco so he who has ears let him hear the truth.. We are expecting a complete clearing of Dundee by the fiscalias almost 2 year investigation to even see if there was a case to pursue of abuse at Dundee. This is supposed to be completed by the end of the month.  Narvin Lichfield has never been formally charged of anything and in Costa Rica even though he was imprisoned overnight and slandered and defamed by almost ever newspaper in the world over the Actions of Mr. Vargas, the temporary since fired soon to be sued fiscal.. A fiscal can arrest anyone for 24 hours with no evidence but a hearsay accusation a part of Neapolitan law often used inappropriately by prosecutors in Latin America to label the accused and thus provide themselves cover for any abuse of the law like was clearly the case with Vargas and Dundee. (There is no accusations in the complete legal file or has never been any allegation that Narvin personally ever abused any child in our care)...As far as accusations of abuse at Dundee please note the article below on one Bruce Harris and then the posts and threads of "Amberly Lied"... This Mr. Harris was the person that was our main accuser even though he never had set foot on our campus or spoke to our students and staff. Mr. Harris made international news with claims of abuse of a girl at Dundee and pushed Vargas to re-review the original complaint that had been wisely shelved by the original and current fiscalia as what it was; simple hearsay by a non-custodial parent trying to subvert US law and take custody illegally like Carrie Brock, with allegations of abuse that her own daughter Nichole later denied before the judge right before the Vargas action. This same judge who was the legal authority not Vargas, who usurped her authority, as she demanded Vargas to stop before he started the now infamous riots . .  I am looking forward to how this will all shake out; as the truth of this whole fiasco finally comes to light that Dundee though imperfect provided great services for the students in their care. As the U.S consulate General Ms Robin Morritz wrote to one of the parents as amberly knight began her fables "I know the staff at Dundee truly cares for the students in their care" Dundee and Narvin Lichfield was falsely accused and crucified by a press all too willing to print the salacious accusations of people of questionable character and dubious intent. Why??? Because it sells... Newspapers or magazines or whatever you choose.  It?s the very nature of slanderous gossip its seductive and profitable and obviously practiced by allot of people for fun just take a look at this forum for validation of this. Ultimately though people like Bruce Harris, Vargas and amberly knight are living in houses made of glass and in time as we have said here from the start almost 2 years ago the truth will reveal them for who they really are. Karma has away of catching up with us all for what we send out is what we get in return and Mr. Harris has just learned this first hand. The accuser is now the accused and these other folks in time will have their day.

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Covenant House fires its Central American program director
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> By FREDDY CUEVAS
> Associated Press Writer
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> September 17, 2004, 10:56 PM EDT
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> TEGUCIGALPA, Honduras -- The director of Casa Alianza, a Covenant House
program that is Central America's most important children's rights
organization, has been fired because of a relationship with a boy the
organization had once helped.
>
> Bruce Harris, the regional director of Casa Alianza, "recently paid for
sexual favors from a 19-year-old Honduran youth" who had been a resident of
the organization's shelter until near the end of 2002, according to a
statement released Friday by Covenant House, Casa Alianza's parent
organization.
>
> The encounter took place in a hotel room in Tegucigalpa, the Honduran
capital, the statement said. "Mr. Harris had admitted that he acted
incorrectly," it continued.
>
> Honduran prosecutors were investigating and Casa Alianza, based in the
Costa Rican capital of San Jose, was cooperating, according to Covenant
House.
>
> Harris, 49, said in a letter released Thursday that he was leaving Casa
Alianza to spend more time with his family. In an e-mail to The Associated
Press late Friday, he declined to give details about the case, but said he
was "at the disposition" of investigators.
>
> "Sheltering behind a lie has never been my way, so I assume, as I always
have done, responsibility for my acts, correct or incorrect," Harris wrote.
"I do not want to have the boys and girls served by Casa Alianza pay for my
private life."
>
> In its statement, Covenant House said Pedro Fragoso, Casa Alianza's
director of internal auditing, had been tapped to replace Harris
temporarily.
>
> Covenant House spokesman Richard Hirsch said the agency's board met late
Thursday and decided to set up a committee to carry out an independent
investigation of the charges against Harris.
>
> "We're a child care agency, our primary concern has to be the good of the
children," he said. "When there's any question about that, we really have to
step back and look at" the situation.
>
> "The program is not one individual, it's all these people who work to
assist young people," Hirsch added.
>
> The news was a blow to an organization which has crusaded for the rights
of poor, abused and abandoned youth throughout Central America and which had
demanded that police crack down on sexual tourism by foreigners who had
preyed upon youths in the area.
>
> Casa Alianza worked with governments throughout the region to rescue
homeless youngsters who had been forced into prostitution rings or the
illicit drug trade. It even helped authorities in some countries organize
sting operations designed to catch police officers and other adults abusing
street children.
>
> The British-born Harris was well-known throughout Latin America as an
outspoken defender of children's rights.
>
> In January, a Guatemala court ruled prosecutors had failed to prove Harris
intended to damage or defame the wife of a Supreme Court justice when he
wrote about alleged influence-trafficking in adoption cases in 1997.
>
> Covenant House says it is the largest privately funded child-care agency
in the United States providing shelter and service to homeless and runaway
youth.
>
> In 1989, a former male prostitute said he had an affair with Covenant
House's founder, the late Rev. Bruce Ritter. Several other young men at
Covenant House also accused the Franciscan priest of seducing them.
>
> Ritter denied the charges, but was ordered to take a leave of absence when
questionable financial transactions surfaced. He later resigned.
>
> The Covenant House board eventually found no serious financial
impropriety, but extensive evidence of sexual misconduct. Ritter, who died
in 1999, was never charged with any criminal wrongdoing.
>
>
>
> Copyright (c) 2004, The Associated Press
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> --------------------
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> This article originally appeared at:
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http://www.newsday.com/news/local/wire/ ... ional-wire
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> Visit Newsday online at http://www.newsday.com
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« Reply #57 on: September 27, 2004, 04:45:00 AM »
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the truth will reveal them for who they really are. Karma has away of catching up with us all for what we send out is what we get in return ... The accuser is now the accused and these other folks in time will have their day.
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Agreed.
The truth about WWASP is already being revealed. Karma does have a way of catching up with people. Each and every WWASPie will get what they deserve in hell for abusing, torturing, and psychologically murdering thousands of children.

Justice will be served. WWASP is going down.
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« Reply #58 on: September 27, 2004, 04:47:00 AM »
Man get a life...
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« Reply #59 on: September 27, 2004, 04:58:00 AM »
You sound like some born again preacher...all wwaspies go to hell if they haven't accepted Isaac or whatever child advocate position your pushing as the true gospel.. Your speech betrays thee and shows the transparent lunacy of your ideology....Oh and by the way like I said earlier get a real life....
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