Amanda is HOME

[Anonymous]

Wow! That is complicated. Were the kids adopted later in life? Were they in foster care first or something? How was Paige able to save Amanda from ALA when she is not her legal parent?

[Anonymous]

Because amanda was 17. The age makes a big difference.

[shanlea]

So basically, if Amanda was 14 or 15, she'd be shit out of luck. Right?

[Anonymous]

THIS IS A LIE - SCRIPTURE DOES NOT SAY THIS!

"Jesus is the only way to salvation."

Scripture does say, however, that ALL LIARS will be cast into the lake of fire - which is the second death.

(Better quit spouting those lies before you're made the centerpiece of a massive ETERNAL bbq.)

[Anonymous]

Who is the HERETIC/LUNATIC who wrote this crap?

"This thread is about the Lord because it is denying of the Lord that causes minor children like the girl in question to make bad choices."

Go back and read where those under 20 years of age were NOT JUDGED and in FACT they entered into the Promised Land whereas THE UNRIGHTEOUS ADULTS WERE PUT TO DEATH.

Put that in your pipe and smoke it - you SPAWN OF SATAN!!!

YOU WILL BURN IN HELL FOR YOUR UNRIGHTEOUS JUDGMENT AGAINST CHILDREN!!! YOU DARE JUDGE WHERE GOD DOES NOT JUDGE!!!

BURN, HELLION, BURN!!! (OR TRULY REPENT and PRAY FOR GOD'S MERCY ON YOUR EVIL SOUL!!!)

[Anonymous]

A PREVIOUS POST STATED:

"...Paige to think it is ok to be a co-conspirator in the kidnapping of the girl, and crossing her over state lines, in total defiance of the laws of the State of Utah."

Here is the UTAH LAW on CHILD KIDNAPPING - AMANDA IS 17 YEARS OLD - THE PERSON POSTING APPARENTLY HAS LIED AGAINST PAIGE and an alleged co-conspirator - BECAUSE UTAH LAW FOR CHILD KIDNAPPING APPLIES TO THOSE UNDER 14 YEARS OF AGE!!!

76-5-301.1.   Child kidnapping.

       (1) An actor commits child kidnapping if the actor intentionally or knowingly, without authority of law, and by any means and in any manner, seizes, confines, detains, or transports a child under the age of 14 without the consent of the victim's parent or guardian, or the consent of a person acting in loco parentis.


AMANDA WOULD BE CONSIDERED THE "VICTIM" UNDER UTAH LAW, SO PAIGE & HER ALLEGED CO-CONSPIRATOR COULDN'T BE GUILTY OF KIDNAPPING IN UTAH UNLESS AMANDA WAS TAKEN AGAINST HER WILL. Here's THAT UTAH LAW:

76-5-301.   Kidnapping.

       (1) An actor commits kidnapping if the actor intentionally or knowingly, without authority of law, and against the will of the victim...

PAIGE AND THE ALLEGED CO-CONSPIRATOR AREN'T EVEN GUILTY, ACCORDING TO UTAH LAW, OF "CUSTODIAL INTERFERENCE". Here's THAT UTAH LAW BECAUSE AMANDA ISN'T UNDER THE AGE OF 16:

76-5-303.   Custodial interference.

       (1) A person, whether a parent or other, is guilty of custodial interference if, without good cause, the actor takes, entices, conceals, or detains a child under the age of 16 from its parent, guardian, or other lawful custodian:
 
COULD THIS FALSE STATEMENT BE CONSIDERED TO BE SLANDER OR LIBEL AGAINST PAIGE AND HER ALLEGED CO-CONSPIRATOR CONSIDERING WHAT UTAH LAW SAYS?

"[Paige and her co-conspirator acted] in total defiance of the laws of the State of Utah"

[shanlea]

Why do all your posts spew fire and brimstone instead of love and forgiveness? I don't know the situation, but maybe God has given you this challenge to open your mind and heart to other perspectives.  I think it would help if you posted from a more humble position than from the pulpit as well.

[Anonymous]

ditto! what this girl has gone through only she can truly know. let us all move on and pray that she can from this point on live a normal teenage life; go to movies, date, drive, work, go to school, make new friends and enjoy her family.

school will be difficult, but it is a place where she can begin to be a teenager again. i hope her parents will allow her to do that.

[Anonymous]

On 2004-08-26 19:02:00, Anonymous wrote:

"THIS IS A LIE - SCRIPTURE DOES NOT SAY THIS!

"Jesus is the only way to salvation."

Scripture does say, however, that ALL LIARS will be cast into the lake of fire - which is the second death.

(Better quit spouting those lies before you're made the centerpiece of a massive ETERNAL bbq.)"

has it ever occured to you that we are not discussing scripture here. we are discussing the legalities of this situation. go pontificate elsewhere.

[Paige]

On 2004-08-25 14:56:00, Anonymous wrote:

76-5-301. Kidnapping.

(1) An actor commits kidnapping if the actor intentionally or knowingly, without authority of law, and against the will of the victim:

(a) detains or restrains the victim for any substantial period of time;

(b) detains or restrains the victim in circumstances exposing the victim to risk of bodily injury;

(c) holds the victim in involuntary servitude;

(d) detains or restrains a minor without the consent of the minor's parent or legal guardian or the consent of a person acting in loco parentis, if the minor is 14 years of age or older but younger than 18 years of age; or

(e) moves the victim any substantial distance or across a state line.

(2) As used in this section, acting "against the will of the victim" includes acting without the consent of the legal guardian or custodian of a victim who is a mentally incompetent person.

(3) Kidnapping is a second degree felony.



Amended by Chapter 301, 2001 General Session

 

Seems to me that this is exactly what her parents and ALA did to her. Oh yeah, thats right, it is OK because it was her parents and a religious organization.

Read it carefully no one broke any laws and the parents were notified within the required 8 hours. All the dad said was that we would have to get together and talk about it. Still hasn't happened.

They did what they thought was right and so did we. Both parties have had legal council. If they want to fight over this in court we are ready willing and able. We are also ready willing and able to move on without any problems. We shall see what happens.

[Anonymous]

Not trying to be a smart ass here; but Paige, I don't see anything about it's OK to take the kid if you tell the parents within 8 hours. . . It looks to me, that article D is a problem for you guys - But I hope there won't be a fight. I don't think it would do any good at all.
I do think you over stepped your bounds and made a rash decision, that may not have been for the best.
But its done.
At this point, I think it best, to make the best that can be made, out of the situation at hand.

And not to pontificate (skip on, all those who hate Christian debate)but the message of the New Testament is crystal clear; there is no salvation except threw Jesus the Christ. The Old Testament Prophets speak clearly on this message as well.
Now, if that offends you, you really ought to do some self introspection as to why that is. If you simply think it all a fairy tale then why argue with the fools for Christ who accept it as Truth?
If you believe this Masson notion that there are many paths to God; Then you really ought to look deeply into what the Christ Himself had to say about this.  If you have fallen for the oldest lie; and think yourself a baby god - again, you need to read what the Bible has to say on this subject. It is diametrically opposed to what you have been taught; and when you practice a faith that teaches this, your god is in fact Lucifer, not the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

[Anonymous]

If you did some research you would understand that, that is the law. The child over 16 and the people he or she is with has 8 hours to notify the parents, authorities, or the guardian. The parents were notified hence no charges may be filed in any way against anyone. These people did their homework you haven't.

[Paige]

This thread is not about religion or anyones belief system. It is strictly about a young women coming home and getting her life back.
If you think that this is not God's will for her to be home that is your opinion but it has no bearing on any of this. It is not for any of us to judge anyone in this situation. As you said it is done. We will all go on from here. We are coming up on 4 weeks that no one has heard from the police, the parents or anyone else. Maybe you should not waste your time trying to figure out anyones religious affiliations and just pray for all involved that everyone will go on to have a wonderufl life with God's blessings. Ipersaonally do not care what you think of me, you do not have any idea as to what has happened or how this child has suffered. I will thank you in advance for your prayers for Amanda to have a wonderful life but please do not preach to me or any of the rest of us - start your own thread for that. By the way that rash decision you think was made may have been but it took since March when they shipped her off and a team of attorneys along with many members of all of her families who wanted the best for Amanda.

Best Wishes

[Anonymous]

On 2004-08-26 16:37:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Sorry to be a buzz kill, but Paige is not Amanda's grand mother, aunt - or any other relation.She would be more of a family aquaintence.

The situation is unique tho, b/c Paige is Amanda's brother's adoptive Mom. She adopted the brother; and Amanda's Family adopted her. But Paige herself is not a relation of Amanda's.







"

Ah, whatever.  Paige is the Amanda's brother's mom.

Okay.

Still, it looks like all of Amanda's extended family, and the 17 year old herself, are happy with her being home.  And apparently Amanda had the right under Utah law to go with Paige if she wanted to, and apparently she did want to.

She's in school, she has mainstream spiritual guidance available in her religion (ie--is going to a mainstream church), she's where she wants to be under the roof of a responsible adult who's been found by the legal system to be fit to raise a child.  She isn't being abused or neglected or breaking any laws.

I wish her well and I hope all the family members involved (and I would count Paige a family member of the in-law variety) do well and someday get reconciled with each other.  

Best wishes, all.

Timoclea

[Anonymous]

All I'm looking at is whats posted here - I don't see That posted  except as your say so; But if you say so. . .
Paige, these threads often take many quirky turns and you might as well get used to it. I was responding with my thoughts just like everyone else. I don't pretend to know God's will for Amanda, or you, or anyone; but I do know He will meet her where ever she is, whenever she calls Him; and I find Peace in that knowledge. I hope you do too.