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« Reply #15 on: April 07, 2004, 10:42:00 AM »
That's exactly what I meant. Just one of my pet peeves w/ program operators and parents. Notice how tight they are w/ their own privacy and info? You couldn't get away w/ that in group. No, you had to tell all and then some.

A lot of us saw through the scam right from the get go, so some people might wonder why in the world we'd all go along w/ it. It's because the stakes were so high. You have no idea the value of your welcome at the Thanksgiving table till it hangs in the balance. After all I did in an effort to win that gambit and after having lost anyway, it just burns my bunns when program ppl get all indignant about their privacy.

That's what I meant by "Walk a mile in my shoes".

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« Reply #16 on: April 07, 2004, 10:49:00 AM »
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On 2004-04-03 09:43:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Isn't Abundant Life Academy (ALA) in St. George Utah?"


Apparently, their Mexican campus is in Ajijic. Is that correct, Karen? Craig? Anyone?

In another thread; one where anon posters are claiming kinship or journalistic interest, another Anon (who may or may not be Karen) says they are starting to understand the "wisdom" of keeping the actual address of their campuses secret. Coincidentally or not, Straight and The Seed did the same thing. Everyone knew where the group building was. That was no secret. But no one was allowed to know where the host homes were. Now there are regulations requiring those addresses in Florida to be reported to CYF and available to the public. But you can bet they fought tooth and nail against that.

In my opinion, the precise reason for keeping the kids' physical location a secret is to prevent friends, family or the media from contacting them and getting their side of the story.

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« Reply #17 on: April 07, 2004, 11:41:00 AM »
Yes, ALA is in ST. George Utah. They also have a facility in Kanab Utah which according to their website is the second phase of the program the third is in St. George Utah. Again according to the Website the first phase is in Ajijic Mexico where the "students will learn to serve others" and from what I understand they do quite a bit of charity work such as teaching the Spanish children English and they are volunteered by ALA to help build a church. Any other questions about Ajijic?
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« Reply #18 on: April 07, 2004, 11:42:00 AM »
What is CYF?
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« Reply #19 on: April 07, 2004, 12:34:00 PM »
Florida's child welfare agency. Formerly known as Health and Rehabilitative Services (HRS), now known as the Department of Children, Youth and Families (CYF).

The reorganization took place sometime in the late `80's or early `90's as I recall.

You know you're living in a white trash neighborhood in Florida when you hear your neighbors out in their front yards hollering "I'm gonna call HRS on you, bitch!"

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« Reply #20 on: April 07, 2004, 02:09:00 PM »
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Again according to the Website the first phase is in Ajijic Mexico where the "students will learn to serve others" and from what I understand they do quite a bit of charity work such as teaching the Spanish children English and they are volunteered by ALA to help build a church.


"First phase" is probably more like to "break them down." Take them out of "their comfortable" environment.  Put them in a place where they won't feel safe to discourage them from running away.

Same old story, just a different program.
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« Reply #21 on: April 07, 2004, 02:50:00 PM »
There are things you can discribe the same way; and there are the enevitable knee jerk reactions to this; but there are numerious and significant differences.
We've talked about them all before, several times over.
 ALA is a program for teens; and if you oppose all programs for all teens under all circumstances; then you'll be in opposition to ALA.
Pretty simple, really.
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« Reply #22 on: April 07, 2004, 03:03:00 PM »
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On 2004-04-07 11:50:00, Anonymous wrote:

"There are things you can discribe the same way; and there are the enevitable knee jerk reactions to this; but there are numerious and significant differences.

We've talked about them all before, several times over.

 ALA is a program for teens; and if you oppose all programs for all teens under all circumstances; then you'll be in opposition to ALA.

Pretty simple, really."


No, it is NOT pretty simple, Karen.  But then again, you are in "the industry" so everything you say must be weighed against your self-serving interests and agenda.  Parents have a choice.  They do NOT have to send their kids thousands of miles from home to help them get in touch with Jesus.  Jesus is NOT FOR SALE!
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« Reply #23 on: April 07, 2004, 03:10:00 PM »
Yer GODDAMN RIGHT HE AIN'T FER SALE!!!! That Creg fella wood have ye beleeve thet he is though... Goddamn that basterd to HELL!!! Don't send them kids anywhere like that. Send 'em to me, and I won't even charge ya to WHIP THE FUKKIN' DRUGS OUT OF 'EM!!! I'll be damned if I'll have any kids doing drugs around ME - I'll git their little asses SRATE!!!

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« Reply #24 on: April 08, 2004, 09:41:00 PM »
OK for the answeres to this subject all you have to do is go to the ALA web site and read the student manual.

Now Craig - nothing against your school or whatever it is. My only concern is for the well being of Amanda and getting her home safe.

It is lengthy but informative and they do have to earn the privilege to talk to their parents unless I read that wrong. Also if you will go to http://www.injesus.com then click on "YOUTH" then on the ALA prayer team site. you will see that both Amanda and another girl did leave, they ran from there and were taken back. I will only believe by choice because they had no other choice. Ask amanda if she would stay there or leave if she could - What is your guess???
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« Reply #25 on: April 08, 2004, 09:52:00 PM »
So why can't Amanda's brother even send her an email? or know where her exact location is so he won't worry? Makes you question how family oriented this place realy is.

And how many times are you going to go to Mexico to see your child who is there?? Once a week? Once a month? Ever??

In Amanda's case it actually works to her benefit. Trust me the mother is not going to make any great effort to get there. Maybe once. and I will promise you the only time the dad will be there was when he took her there at 4am without telling her where she was being banished to.

But then again that is strictly my opinion and doesn't mean that I am right or that they are wrong. I simply disagree with how this was handled.
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« Reply #26 on: April 08, 2004, 10:10:00 PM »
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On 2004-04-07 11:50:00, Anonymous wrote:


 ALA is a program for teens; and if you oppose all programs for all teens under all circumstances; then you'll be in opposition to ALA.

Pretty simple, really."


Sea Camp and Sea Base are wonderful programs for teens and pre-teens. They're both tough, demanding programs that require careful obedience to all safety directives, sacrifice of most privacy (i.e. dorm living) and physical and intillectual performance. Access to phones is also limited for practical reasons. I loved Sea Camp and my daughter had a blast at Sea Base 20 years later. If I had the money, I'd probably send my other kids there as well.

I don't think ALA is quite like that.

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« Reply #27 on: April 08, 2004, 10:16:00 PM »
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The girls took advantage of the distraction  and climbed the wall to get into the neighbors yard. Staff followed but have not been able to locate the girls exact whereabouts. It is now 1:00 AM. The girls and staff have been in constant prayer since the time the girls left. Please join us in prayer... 1). The girls safety, and 2). Prompt return. 3). The search team. In Jesus name we pray that the ALA search team will find the girls and they will be returned safe and sound. Also, the girls of Abundant Life Academy are hurting. They feel responsible. Pray that they would keep their eyes focused on Jesus and their faith full.


http://www.injesus.com/Groups/ViewMessa ... UG&UCD=r5n


Doesn't sound to me asif ALA is the kind of group home setting where kids could just walk away if they wanted to. Sounds to me asif they have to have a distraction of some kind to take advantage of and that staff will try to chase them down. The ALA Search Team? Would that be anything like the 7th Stepper goon squad sent out to capture me when I split Straight?

Who wrote this, anyway?

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« Reply #28 on: April 09, 2004, 11:31:00 AM »
He signed it Ginger.
So, it was wrong to go look for them?
It would have been more correct to say to hell with them?
And I am certain they weren't hauled back kicking and screaming, as has been insinuated.
I was on the phone with Craig when they came walking back in the door.
And befor anyone asks; all the homes there have walls; in the way most folks here have chain link fence. They have walled gardens. Very pretty.
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« Reply #29 on: April 09, 2004, 12:24:00 PM »
But if kids "can and do just walk away" as you guys say, why did these girls have to wait for a distraction? Why couldn't they just announce that they were outa there and walk out? And what, exactly, is the ALA search team? I don't think that's covered in your advertising material. Can you explain a little about that? Who is on the team? How many? How do they operate? What do they do when they find an escapee?

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