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« Reply #30 on: April 09, 2004, 12:35:00 PM »
If the students are not being held against their will, then why not let them leave?   Why the need for a search team?

Why is Amanda not being allowed to contact her other family members?  It sounds like the school is being used as a means to keep her from her other relatives.
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« Reply #31 on: April 09, 2004, 01:53:00 PM »
They keep them from any and all who dare to disagree with their methods.  There was a lot of family I wasn't allowed to associate with.  It's the same shit.  Isolation.  It's all part of the mindfuck.  If they can isolate the 'client' so that they're only exposure is to 'believers' they can more quickly and easily manipulate the mind.  No contact with the outside world, no 'dangerous' family members.  I mean really.....what is the purpose in not letting this kid talk to family?  What legit purpose could there be????

Men seldom, or rather never for a length of time, and deliberately, rebel against anything that does not deserve rebelling against.

--Thomas Carlyle

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« Reply #32 on: April 09, 2004, 07:45:00 PM »
Tis true check out the student manual on the ALA website. It is very interesting. Lengthy but very interesting.
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« Reply #33 on: April 09, 2004, 07:55:00 PM »
I forgot something the parents have to also supply of list of "dangerous people" to ALA.
Would you like to place any bets as to if my name is on there or not?

They give me much more credit than I deserve.

The mom told the great Aunt that she knew that Amanda would never love them like she loved her brother and I, and she knew that Amanda would rather be with us, and that is what makes me dangerous. OK then I guess I am public enemy number one because:
I will always love Amanda.
I will always believe in Amanda.
I will always be there for Amanda.
She is a remarkable child and she will always have a place in my heart and in my home. So NO I AM NOT GOING AWAY! And NOBODY CAN SCARE ME AWAY AND IF YOU HAVEN'T FIGURED IT OUT BY NOW I DON'T GET INTIMIDATED EITHER.

So to members of ALA I do apologize if I have given you any problem -that is not my intent. My intent is to know for myself where Amanda is housed. How she is and that her brother and other family can communicate with her at their leisure and visit with her. I hope this will clear up any misgivings.
Best Wishes to you all.
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« Reply #34 on: April 09, 2004, 08:17:00 PM »
will always love Amanda.
I will always believe in Amanda.
I will always be there for Amanda.
She is a remarkable child and she will always have a place in my heart and in my home

Taking all this at face value; I now wonder, why didn't you adopt Amanda when you adpoted her brother?  


And whats with the 'screaming' and talk of intimadation?
Who do you think you need to scream at; and who here has tried to intimadate you?

Your begining to remind me much of another 'screamer'.
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« Reply #35 on: April 09, 2004, 09:03:00 PM »
Hey, go read the student manual on visitation on the ALA website it is a little scary. The kid has to earn the privilege of talking to the parents and another privilege they can earn is having a photo of the parents out in the open. all contact though twith the parents or any one else has to be approved by the director of the facility. This place calls itself a Boarding School. It's not like any one I have ever seen.
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« Reply #36 on: April 09, 2004, 09:12:00 PM »
Sorry - not screaming -just want those who don't seem to be able to read the smaller type and understand it, that I'm not giving up on this child.

It was meant more for emphasis than screaming.
I apologize.
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« Reply #37 on: April 09, 2004, 09:21:00 PM »
I did ask to adopt her. The family and I consulted with the counselors we had been using to help the kids through all of the trauma they had already been through suggested that due to the dynamics of Amanda acting as her brothers care giver the children had very different and seperate needs. So under the guise that we were all going to be "family" and that the kids would be brother and sister and be able to see each other frequently and they would both be in counseling etc. We all did what we thought was best at that time. It didn't work the way it probably should have and could have.  So here we are. Someone spoke earlier of Amanda almost being of age. Yes, she will be 17 soon and when she can determine her own domicile - my door will be open to her so that she can live with her brother as she has wanted for awhile now.
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« Reply #38 on: April 09, 2004, 09:55:00 PM »
Yes, she will be 17 soon and when she can determine her own domicile - my door will be open to her so that she can live with her brother as she has wanted for awhile now.


Well good. But Paige, give serious thought to how you will feel when the glow wears off (the 'honmeymoon period') and she becomes less  greatful and more difficult. It will happen. Always does.
Are you really sure you can face the storms when they blow?
You had better make sure before you go telling her she'll always have a home with you.
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« Reply #39 on: April 09, 2004, 10:44:00 PM »
Jesus Christ on a broken crutch, Karen! What in the world makes you think you know any of these people well enough to make such a sanctimonious statement?

Oh yeah, I forgot, God must have told you all about it.

Just let the girl go home to the family who loves her and you just take your own advice and sit back and pray for them, ok? Just let go and let God, right?

Paige, your neice is a lucky kid. I know, she's had a lot of hard knocks. But anyone is lucky to have real family who will fight for them.

There never was a good war or a bad peace.

--Benjamin Franklin, (1773)

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« Reply #40 on: April 09, 2004, 11:33:00 PM »
Once again you have not read or understood anything I am saying....... I am in this for the long haul.

I have known Amanda since she was 7 years old. I know this child. I know her pitfalls. I know her strengths. I know she will be in need of counseling I know she will need lots of help. But what i know more than anything is that she needs to feel that she is loved and a true member of a family. And when she makes mistakes and bad decisions I will be there
to help her get through those times and learn to make better decisions. We have all made mistakes and will make mistakes for the rest of our lives. I will be there for this young woman for the rest of her life no matter how many mistakes she makes and believe me she has not made many and is much wiser than some people think.
With any teenager there are tough times I am willing to stay the course and be there 100% no matter what happens. You also seem to forget that there are 6 family members including members of the parents family who have asked me to please take Amanda. They know the history and they know that this is the right thing to do. Do you think that all of us are wrong?
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« Reply #41 on: April 09, 2004, 11:40:00 PM »
Ginger, Thank you for your response

"Jesus Christ on a broken crutch?" Never heard that one. It did give me a chuckle.

Don't be too hard on Karen, She truly believes and will defend to her dying day what she believes and who (human) she believes in as well as her religious fervor.

I feel just as strongly about Amanda as Karen does for her truths. We can't all agree. But thank you it helps to get some positive reinforcement every now and then. I appreciate greatly your concern.
Best Wishes to you.

and to you Karen.
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« Reply #42 on: April 09, 2004, 11:46:00 PM »
People need to understand that God is not in the business of fixing troubled teens.  That is cult thinking.  

 :eek:

Literalism (as in Christian Fundamentalist)

" ... encourages a closed, usually (though not necessarily) politically conservative view of the world: one with a stop-time notion of history and a we-and-they approach to people, in which WE are possessed of truth, virtue, and goodness and THEY of falsehood, depravity, and evil.  It looks askance at figurative language, which, so long as its symbols and metaphors are vital, can open --  promiscuously in the eyes of the strict literalist --- the world and its imaginative possibilities."

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« Reply #43 on: April 10, 2004, 11:39:00 AM »
Ginger asks:
"Jesus Christ on a broken crutch, Karen! What in the world makes you think you know any of these people well enough to make such a sanctimonious statement? "

I'm sorry Ginger; I don't know what statement of mine your refering to.
However; I believe I have consistaintly pointed out, we, none of us, know these folks well enough to judge. That includes you; as insightful as you are.
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« Reply #44 on: April 10, 2004, 11:55:00 AM »
Oh, I think it might have been this:
Well good. But Paige, give serious thought to how you will feel when the glow wears off (the 'honmeymoon period') and she becomes less greatful and more difficult. It will happen. Always does.
Are you really sure you can face the storms when they blow?
You had better make sure before you go telling her she'll always have a home with you.


What about this is sanctimonious?
I only mean to point out the ride might be a lot ruffer than Paige anticapates; in fact experaince tells me it will be; and it will do the girl a lot more harm than good to tell her she has a home 'forever' only to yank the rug out from under her and boot her ass when the going gets ruff.

I do believe ALA can help Amanda with a lot of her worries and concerns. Maybe Paige can as well - that I don't know - and neither do you. But if she encourages her to leave ALA and move in with her; and then when Amanda becomes a problem, in which ever of the very many ways people do; Paige then tells her to get out;  she will have done her a huge disservice. IMO. I'm just asking Paige to think about this before stepping up to the plate.

I have had some personal experaince with exactly this senerio, and I know how destructive it can be. Thus my concern and appeal to think about it.

Now - if you ment another statement, you'll need to point it out.
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