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Kiwi · « **Reply #45 on:** February 25, 2004, 06:28:00 AM »

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HUH? What do you mean "who Jane is, has nothing to do with the post you put up for comment"?

Well, if you can see a connection, please enlighten the rest of us.

Kiwi · « **Reply #46 on:** February 25, 2004, 07:37:00 AM »

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Not sure if you know who Jane Hawley, is ...

As a matter of fact, I had heard of her. According to her web sites she is always happy to take a call on her cell phone any time of the day or night. Some time I must take her up on the offer at three o'clock in the morning, LOL!

Anonymous · « **Reply #47 on:** February 25, 2004, 09:19:00 AM »

Kiwi - Anon mentioned the name of someone who apparently "sold" her on a program for her son. The other post has to do with people who at one time or another appear to have also been involved in the business of selling (referring) a similiar group of programs for troubled teens. The post underscores the reality that this is a business (not that the parties are connected) and was asking for feedback from Anon. Since you seem so interested in the topic, I'd be curious if you have any thoughts or opinions on the referral business?

Kiwi · « **Reply #48 on:** February 25, 2004, 09:44:00 AM »

I'm sorry if I'm a bit dim but the relevance of the other thread was not immediately apparent to me and the constant demands for an answer kinda reminded me of the vendetta I mentioned earlier. My apologies if I misjudged you. As someone said, you might have hit a nerve.

As for my opinion on the referral business, I don't trust a financial 'advisor' who takes commission. If I don't trust such people with my money why would I trust them with the welfare of my child?

Anonymous · « **Reply #49 on:** February 25, 2004, 10:33:00 AM »

Kiwi, your gracious apology, while not necessary, is nevertheless appreciated! And yes, that IS a very good question you ask:

Kiwi Writes:

"As for my opinion on the referral business, I don't trust a financial 'advisor' who takes commission. If I don't trust such people with my money why would I trust them with the welfare of my child?"

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From your lips, to parent's ears. When it comes to private referrals for ANY residential school or program, CAVEAT EMPTOR (Buyer Beware).
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Froderik · « **Reply #50 on:** February 25, 2004, 10:46:00 AM »

Tell me, was there any forced sodomy (corn-holing) going down in those joints? Y' know, sex abuse? C'mon, don't be shy...

Anonymous · « **Reply #51 on:** February 25, 2004, 10:48:00 AM »

Kiwi,

If you give Ms Hawley a call,be sure to ask her about the Grads who went on to attend Harvard & Standford Universities.

The first time I was given that information I fell for it. The second time I was incredulous they would still be telling the same tale yrs later.

Maybe she would be kind enough to give the "students" names to verify that "fact".

Anonymous · « **Reply #52 on:** February 25, 2004, 01:32:00 PM »

The second time? Sheesh Anon, what the hell is that supposed to mean? And another thing, don't be so naive as to think ed cons and independent referral agents aren't telling parents what they want to hear, either, when they're "working those "sales leads" generated through their eye-candy websites and (big gasp) online support groups.

:smokin:

Anonymous · « **Reply #53 on:** February 25, 2004, 07:32:00 PM »

On Line support groups?

? Yeah Right.

Second and third time too .I was checking on how and why I could have been so gullible to have fallen for the marketing lies. Harvard indeed!
They are not even accredited properly.

Do YOU think the lies justify the means? The end results of deceiving parents into believing the unscruplous liars. May they all rot in prison.

Do not lump me with your preconcieved assestment of ed cons.

The ed cons I spoke with(3) after my child was enrolled in the program were saddened to hear he was there. They never had the courage to say why they were sorry. Afraid to be sue for "defamation" maybe.They didnt like or refer to the program. They did not/would not elaborate why. I now know why.

I'm speaking from my own personal experience at the expense of my kid.

A lie is a lie. Its never ok. They should be ashamed of themselves and then some.

Do mean a favor and save your bullshit for someone who doesnt know any better.

Anonymous · « **Reply #54 on:** February 25, 2004, 07:34:00 PM »

Froderick,

Sip your britches up.

Froderik · « **Reply #55 on:** February 25, 2004, 09:42:00 PM »

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Sip your britches up.

:rofl: You're funny for once, anon - Now, I take it you meant "zip"

Anonymous · « **Reply #56 on:** February 25, 2004, 10:41:00 PM »

"The ed cons I spoke with(3) after my child was enrolled in the program were saddened to hear he was there. They never had the courage to say why they were sorry. Afraid to be sue for "defamation" maybe.They didnt like or refer to the program. They did not/would not elaborate why. I now know why."

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They do not refer to WWASPS. THey do not receive monetary compensation for referring to WWASPS. THey didn't say why they were saddened because they would sound like all they cared about was money. They have to make a living and since there are many programs that do pay them, it makes sense that's who they recommend. If they were just honest and upfront then people wouldn't have to assume they don't refer because it's a bad program. They refer to programs that are in the same allegations boat, but you won't hear them saying how saddened they are that they referred you to a program that wasn't what you expected. They do the best they can when it comes to referring to programs that will pay them and that will help the family dynamics. If WWASPS ever does decide to pay them a hefty fee, their tune will change, guaranteed.

Beyond that, have you ever had a therapist that referred you to a rehab or inpatient treatment that insurance paid for, only to find out that it wasn't enough time, or didn't do enough for the family and you go back again and again grasping for some sense of normal?

Anonymous · « **Reply #57 on:** February 25, 2004, 10:56:00 PM »

Anon, nobody here is sticking up for ed cons, independent referral agents or program-affiliated
sales reps. Quite the contrary. They are a BIG part of the problem, as evident by your own experience and countless others, many of whom have spoken out on this forum (e.g. Deborah).

Bottom Line: Residential Placement Advice and Referrals is a self-regulated industry. Parents need to have a healthy skepticism and steer clear of anybody who is paid by the program, itself, which by all accounts, is highly unethical.

Anonymous · « **Reply #58 on:** February 26, 2004, 11:50:00 AM »

Well, I can't say for sure and certain myself; I never referred anyone and never was paid; but according to common report; WWASP does indeed pay, and nicely, for a placement referral.
The common report is a grad a pop.
Or, in the case of a program parent, a free month; which is several grand a pop.
So, this notion that ed con don't refer b/c it don't pay seems inaccurate.

Anonymous · « **Reply #59 on:** February 26, 2004, 12:29:00 PM »

Yes thank you. I meant zip.

I lost my sense of humor a few years back.

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