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« Reply #30 on: February 23, 2004, 10:58:00 PM »
All this anon business is confusing, I know. But I think maybe you have my anon mixed up with another (who can tell)
But as for me, I don't miss the point. I get it and if I understand you correctly, I agree.
I did not know going in, Juice was an item one would be expected to earn. I was lead to believe the kids would be eating a complete diet of well prepared meals cooked by a chef. The complaint of hunger and beans and rice got my attention, I assure you.
The point being, I never intended to send my kid somewhere where he would be kept hungry and have to earn his juice!
I don't think any of the parents do, in the beginning; and by the time they learn of it, if they even believe it, they are already well indoctrinated; and the support of the group helps reinforce the notion earning ones juice is a good thing.
This is my opinion on how it happens and why it is allowed to continue.
I feel this is just another example of how the program twists and exaggerates a common truth to excuse what they are up to.
Its true people, kids included, very often have a overdeveloped sense of entitlement. The 'need' for so many 'things'. The idea it ought to just be theirs if they want it; Its a common problem for society in general. That?s why we have such a huge credit debt and so many bankruptcies. How is it the song put it? 'We seen it on the TV and we want it pretty fast' - something like that. Its a problem.
Anyway, parents are very familiar with it; and I think, the program uses this to justify these conditions; by insisting the kid needs to learn to earn all these things. To a degree, this is often  true; but they take it to extremes that no one thinking clearly would agree acceptable. That?s why, in my opinion, they don't tell the parents up front just what all the kid will be expected to earn; Or how long it is likely to take.
And, in my opinion, the reason they keep the lower level kids diet deprived is to help facilitate the brainwashing; for that is what it is, in my opinion.
Call it what you will; but read up on methods of mind control, thought reform, brainwashing; and it'll sound real familiar to anyone who?s been threw the program.
Diet depravation is just part of the process.
Just as is the isolation from family and society.
And the random brutality. It facilitates the needed levels of stress. Its very stressful even if you only see the bruises or hear the screams. Maybe more so than actually being the victim - well, unless it is one of the more extreme episodes. . .

No, anon, I think I get it all right.
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« Reply #31 on: February 23, 2004, 11:42:00 PM »
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On 2004-02-23 19:58:00, Anonymous wrote:

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All this anon business is confusing, I know. But I think maybe you have my anon mixed up with another (who can tell)

But as for me, I don't miss the point. I get it and if I understand you correctly, I agree.

I did not know going in, Juice was an item one would be expected to earn. I was lead to believe the kids would be eating a complete diet of well prepared meals cooked by a chef. The complaint of hunger and beans and rice got my attention, I assure you.

The point being, I never intended to send my kid somewhere where he would be kept hungry and have to earn his juice!

I don't think any of the parents do, in the beginning; and by the time they learn of it, if they even believe it, they are already well indoctrinated; and the support of the group helps reinforce the notion earning ones juice is a good thing.

This is my opinion on how it happens and why it is allowed to continue.

I feel this is just another example of how the program twists and exaggerates a common truth to excuse what they are up to.

Its true people, kids included, very often have a overdeveloped sense of entitlement. The 'need' for so many 'things'. The idea it ought to just be theirs if they want it; Its a common problem for society in general. That?s why we have such a huge credit debt and so many bankruptcies. How is it the song put it? 'We seen it on the TV and we want it pretty fast' - something like that. Its a problem.

Anyway, parents are very familiar with it; and I think, the program uses this to justify these conditions; by insisting the kid needs to learn to earn all these things. To a degree, this is often  true; but they take it to extremes that no one thinking clearly would agree acceptable. That?s why, in my opinion, they don't tell the parents up front just what all the kid will be expected to earn; Or how long it is likely to take.

And, in my opinion, the reason they keep the lower level kids diet deprived is to help facilitate the brainwashing; for that is what it is, in my opinion.

Call it what you will; but read up on methods of mind control, thought reform, brainwashing; and it'll sound real familiar to anyone who?s been threw the program.

Diet depravation is just part of the process.

Just as is the isolation from family and society.

And the random brutality. It facilitates the needed levels of stress. Its very stressful even if you only see the bruises or hear the screams. Maybe more so than actually being the victim - well, unless it is one of the more extreme episodes. . .



No, anon, I think I get it all right.





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Yeah, all these anons mixing it up makes it hard to know who the hell is on the other line!  But look, I agree 100% with what you are saying and absolutely support your contention that is wrong to make kids EARN something as fundamental as a good diet, a good night's rest and a good bowel movement. No kidding. I have read numerous accounts written by teens from all kinds of different programs complaining they were constipated for days, mostly due to a poor diet and emotional distress, combined with an inappropriate comfort level of privacy and of course, little to no toilet paper.  What's interesting about the parents who place their child in a behavior mod program is how naive they are about the tactics and techniques used to change and/or control the behavior of their children, including taking kids into the wilderness as a pre-requisite for long-term placement and these large group awareness training (LGAT)seminars which many programs use (not just WWASPS) to coerce children and parents into adopting the values and beliefs of the omnipotent program.
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« Reply #32 on: February 24, 2004, 12:02:00 AM »
Yep, when I saw my son for the first time in 4 months, for our 36 hr visit; he had been on the programs "restriction diet" for almost a month straight. Not uncommon, normal for kids to be on restriction more than not the first 6 months.

A small box of cereal, milk, and a piece of (eithered, he says) fruit for breakfast.
Two cheese and bread sandwiches, a cup of soup, and water for lunch and the same for dinner.
Extra work detail, no pleasure, no communication with peers.

The restriction diet was not mentioned ANYWHERE in the parent manual, but the headmaster brought it up in the orientation before they cut the kids loose. He told parents they'd probably hear about it, but not to over react or be concerned- you know, those lying, manipulating teens will exaggerate everything. And, while "sparse", he'd had it checked and approved by the Health Dept. Months later when I started investigating them I found out that he stood there and blatently lied to the parents with the most sincere and genuine tone imaginable. Some of the most unethical people I have ever encountered. No one at the health dept had spoken to him and it wasn't in their scope to approve diets for private "prisons".

Much later I learned that there was a time limit for the meal. One was PT'd if they didn't toss their plate when trash came by... they ate outside on the curb, not with their peers.

My son had had diarrhea for 3 days prior. He was thin and grey; in a weak, debilitated state. Like he'd been on a deserted island for months. I can't even condone this sort of treatment for teens who have committed murder, much less kids who are a pain in their parents asses. I weeped when I saw him.

Barbarian. It blows my mind that it is happening on Earth in 2004. I really thought the human race was progressing until I came face-to-face with this industry, which is a throwback to medieval torture. And this was a "fine, high-dollar, east coast" facility. Owned and operated by a psych professional. All staff had degrees. Cost and education does not = quality care.
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« Reply #33 on: February 24, 2004, 12:08:00 AM »
Deborah - that was Bethel Boys Academy, right?  A non wwasp program that you keep comparing to?

Kids do not have to earn a well balanced meal at wwasps.  They do have to earn condiments and juice.  They have milk, plenty of water, but it seems the juice is an incentive for some reason.  They eat fruit, oranges, apples, grapes, bananas but not in juice form. It's not a big deal, unless you make it one.  

What idiot said they thought their child would be fed by a chef?  Did you really think your kid was going to a resort to straighten their life out?  Funny.  The dieticians and cooks are good, but not chef material.
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« Reply #34 on: February 24, 2004, 07:45:00 AM »
No "idiot", it wasn't Bethel. Is Bethel a high-dollar program on the East Coast? And I'm NOT "comparing" that program to W, I'm sharing my experience. And YES all programs have similarities; more alike than different. I mean, there are just so many things you can deny a person to force them to comply with your deranged illusion of perfection. Food is frequently one of them.

If you are a parent, your opinion means nothing. You do not KNOW what is happening on a day-to-day basis, only what they have told you and what you may have seen on a "scheduled" visit. If you are a program owner or staff, I wouldn't believe you.

BTW, when I reported the program for operating without a license, one of the changes they had to make was to hire a dietician and a catering company started preparing the meals. They had to be forced to provide balanced meals with variety and eliminate the "restriction diet" as punishment. In other words, the "regular" meals were sub-standard as well.

All the state regulations I've read state very clearly that denying food and contact with parents MAY NOT be used as punishment, motivation. Why do you think the majority of programs avoid being regulated by telling the state they are a "boarding school"? Have you ever heard of a traditional BS that operated that way, much less deny holiday visits home for "therapeutic" reasons?

Every program that opens their doors should have to prove their stated purpose. If they are caught operating without the proper license the state should enforce, the sometimes $500/day, fines. We'd see less abuse if state regulators did their jobs, and programs didn't lie and manipulate about their classification, "We started as a boarding school, then became a therapeutic facility.", "We are a boarding school, we don't do any therapy here".

And they have the NERVE to call the teens pathological liars and manipulators. I guess you all condone adults lying, when you/they believe it's in the teens best interest.
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« Reply #35 on: February 24, 2004, 12:16:00 PM »
Deb you write:
It blows my mind that it is happening on Earth in 2004.

I think this is also part of how they manage to real parents in. I know I never in my wildest dreams thought anything like the program reality could exist as it does. My fears were mostly about the single ?bad apple? and the harm they could do; but that same fear applies to any setting ; School, scouts, church groups, you name it; But that their could be this systematic abuse and neglect in a program for troubled teens never entered my mind! I feel this is true for most all parents, and is why they find the truth so hard to believe even when they hear of it. It is simply Hard to believe!! Mind blowing, as you say.


An Anon writes:
Kids do not have to earn a well balanced meal at wwasps.

Your wrong. Either you have fallen into the trap described above; or you are a liar. My kid lost something like 25 pounds in 4 months. He was being starved; and he was eating everything he could get his hands on. New kids often didn?t want their beans and rice, and he would happily scarff it up for them and tell them they would learn to love their beans and rice!


And you say:
What idiot said they thought their child would be fed by a chef?

That?s me and maybe I am an idiot; but not for the reason you imply. I was told by Jane Hawley that Dundee had retained the chef from its days as a tourist s resort; and the meals were especially well prepared as a result. It was a selling point; and was even in the glossy little pamphlet they sent out. I fell for it.
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« Reply #36 on: February 24, 2004, 12:43:00 PM »
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« Reply #37 on: February 24, 2004, 01:11:00 PM »
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On 2004-02-24 09:43:00, Anonymous wrote:

"See the following thread.



http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... m=9&Sort=D"


Anon, do you have any feedback?
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« Reply #38 on: February 24, 2004, 02:29:00 PM »
Hi, just checkin' in to see if Anon has has any feedback.  Guess not, soes I will check back later.  

Ciao!

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« Reply #39 on: February 24, 2004, 05:25:00 PM »
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See the following thread.

http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... m=9&Sort=D


What relevance does that thread have to this?  And if Anon has any feedback why should they reply on this thread rather than the original?

If this has anything to do with the WWASP/Carey/PURE vendetta why do you have to speak in riddles?
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« Reply #40 on: February 24, 2004, 05:35:00 PM »
Hey Kiwi - I wasn't purposely trying to talk in riddles, seemed to me the purpose in posting the reference to the other thread was obvious given the following statement in Anon's post:

Anon Writes:

"That?s me and maybe I am an idiot; but not for the reason you imply. I was told by Jane Hawley that Dundee had retained the chef from its days as a tourist s resort; and the meals were especially well prepared as a result. It was a selling point; and was even in the glossy little pamphlet they sent out. I fell for it."

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Not sure if you know who Jane Hawley, is, but perhaps Anon will clue you in.  If not, do an archive or Google search.
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« Reply #41 on: February 24, 2004, 05:48:00 PM »
Kiwi - Sorry, forgot to add the KEYWORD in Anon's statement:  S.E.L.L.I.N.G.  

Kind of spells out a sub-topic worthy of at least some feeback, don't you agree?
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« Reply #42 on: February 24, 2004, 07:45:00 PM »
This thread has nothing to do with the thread you?ve put up for comment. Nothing at all.
Who Jane is, has nothing to do with the post you put up for comment.
Your just trying to deflect attention and confuse people.

Must have hit a nerve.
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« Reply #43 on: February 24, 2004, 07:58:00 PM »
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On 2004-02-24 16:45:00, Anonymous wrote:

"This thread has nothing to do with the thread you?ve put up for comment. Nothing at all.

Who Jane is, has nothing to do with the post you put up for comment.

Your just trying to deflect attention and confuse people.



Must have hit a nerve.

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HUH? What do you mean "who Jane is, has nothing to do with the post you put up for comment"?
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« Reply #44 on: February 24, 2004, 08:56:00 PM »
all that healthy food and milk and such caused my son to loose over 20 lbs IN THREE WEEKS.
WP
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