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« Reply #45 on: February 05, 2004, 08:42:00 PM »
Kiwi, with all due respect, why don't you register with PACER and read the complaint instead of speculating?  It's obvious you are biased (which is fine with me) but this is an issue that has entered the legal arena, and as such, has taken on a whole different flavor.
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« Reply #46 on: February 05, 2004, 09:13:00 PM »
Actually, I think Kiwi addressed an important issue:
"Does this mean they have finally given up pretending they are just a referral agency and the schools are independent?"

Why is it that the individual, "independent" programs don't file suit(s)? I think it is a very important point that appears to refute the whole twisted illusion of ownership. Most people tend to believe that they are set up "independently" for tax purposes, and to protect other programs reputations when a umbrella facility gets a bad wrap.

Does the information at PACER answer Kiwi's wondering? If you have access, post up the evidence. I don't perceive her wondering as "speculation", but a legitimate question.
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« Reply #47 on: February 05, 2004, 09:29:00 PM »
Deborah, why haven't you taken advantage of the new instant registration at PACER?  The legal issues are fascinating.  You are cheating yourself (for 7 cents a page???) out of being informed and that just not sound like you at all.

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« Reply #48 on: February 05, 2004, 09:34:00 PM »
Ok. Who is going to take responsibility for scaring me to death with the profane talking post.


It almost gave me a heart attack .I was bring in a priest for an exorcism.

Was that YOU Froderick? Very clever.
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« Reply #49 on: February 05, 2004, 10:07:00 PM »
Web PACER (v2.4)
Docket as of February 4, 2004 10:15 pm               Page 1  

Proceedings include all events.                                   JURY
2:04cv107 World Wide Assn of, et al v. Houlahan

                                                            JURY  
                       U.S. District Court
                   District of Utah (Central)

               CIVIL DOCKET FOR CASE #: 04-CV-107

World Wide Assn of, et al v. Houlahan                       Filed: 02/03/04
Assigned to: Judge Dale A. Kimball           Jury demand: Plaintiff
Demand: $75,000                              Nature of Suit:  320
Lead Docket: None                            Jurisdiction: Diversity
Dkt# in other court: None

Cause: 28:1332 Diversity-Libel,Assault,Slander


WORLD WIDE ASSOCIATION OF         Dennis J. Conroy
SPECIALTY PROGRAMS AND SCHOOLS,   JFAX 9,5322270
a Utah Corporation                [COR]
     plaintiff                    Fred R. Silvester, Mr.
                                  EMAIL
                                  [COR LD NTC]
                                  Spencer C. Siebers
                                  JFAX 9,5322270
                                  [COR]
                                  SILVESTER & CONROY LC
                                  230 S 500 E STE 590
                                  SALT LAKE CITY, UT 84102
                                  (801) 532-2266


THE ACADEMY AT IVY RIDGE, a       Dennis J. Conroy
New York partnership              (See above)
     plaintiff                    [COR]
                                  Fred R. Silvester, Mr.
                                  (See above)
                                  [COR LD NTC]
                                  Spencer C. Siebers
                                  (See above)
                                  [COR]


   v.


THOMAS G. HOULAHAN, a foreign
individual
     defendant



Docket as of February 4, 2004 10:15 pm               Page 2  

Proceedings include all events.                                   JURY
2:04cv107 World Wide Assn of, et al v. Houlahan

2/3/04   1       Complaint filed, assigned to Judge Dale A. Kimball
                 Receipt no.: 136080 (kla) [Entry date 02/04/04]

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« Reply #50 on: February 05, 2004, 10:11:00 PM »
I don't have a vested interest in the WWASP legal fiasco(s). Not enough to warrant paying to read the legal mumbo jumbo anyway. All I need to know will make it to the papers in due time, or get posted here.

So, if you have access, does the info at PACER address Kiwi's "speculation"? Are the facilities independent or not? If so, why is WWASP suing?
One question. If it doesn't get answered, no big deal. Pretty much par for the course, but I still think it is worthy of notice. I think it's more of the "have your cake and eat it too" MO of the industry.
If W is truly just a referal agent to the conglomerate of "specialty programs", then that would be equivalent to an independent agency like PURE suing someone for slandering/defaming a program they refer too.

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World Wide Assn of, et al
World Wide Assn of Et Al !!
That pretty much says it all.
Thanks Carey.

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« Reply #51 on: February 05, 2004, 10:26:00 PM »
My advice is for Kiwi to read the complaint and come to her own conclusions about whether the complaint answers her questions or not, especially since she is clearly interested in the issues at hand.

The info Carey posted is the court docket where the complaint, itself, can be found and read online.

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« Reply #52 on: February 05, 2004, 10:49:00 PM »
Tell me how to get more than just the docket.  Can I access it on Pacer?
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« Reply #53 on: February 05, 2004, 11:15:00 PM »
Carey, all you have to do is click on the number of the docket entry that follows the date.  See example below.  See if that works.

2/3/04 1 Complaint filed, assigned to Judge Dale A. Kimball Receipt no.: 136080 (kla) [Entry date 02/04/04]

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« Reply #54 on: February 05, 2004, 11:17:00 PM »
Whoops, yes, you can read the complaint on PACER, unless the court has not scanned the document.  The only way to know is go back and see if the number of the docket entry is HIGHLIGHTED.  That means the document has been scanned, I think.
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« Reply #55 on: February 06, 2004, 04:04:00 AM »
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World Wide Association of Specialty Programs and Schools (WWASPS) seeks unspecified damages in the federal civil suit



You know, it has only just struck me, WWASPS is suing Houlahan, not Ivy Ridge.  Does this mean they have finally given up pretending they are just a referral agency and the schools are independent?"


Kiwi, it appears that Houlahan was sued by both WWASPS and Ivy Ridge. (See Court Docket posted by Carey)
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« Reply #56 on: February 06, 2004, 11:30:00 AM »
Has anybody read the complaint so we can get some dialogue going here?
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« Reply #57 on: February 06, 2004, 11:55:00 AM »
Deborah,

Was that a joke? "Are the facilities independant?

The whole purpose of Isac report is to show they are owned by the same few.

The  LIE has been exposed.

As well they are NOT NON PROFIT.

How do you spell money laundering.
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« Reply #58 on: February 06, 2004, 02:52:00 PM »
Yes, anyone with a brain cells firing knows they are not independent. It's great that ISACs spells this out, but they weren't the first to do so. Are you familiar with Intrepid?
It wasn't a joke. They continue to tell the press, and lead others to believe that the facilities are independent. At least one of their latest websites does not mention any of the other facilties. Guess they discovered that having all the programs listed at every site was not a wise marketing technique.
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« Reply #59 on: February 06, 2004, 03:03:00 PM »
People, these schools and programs are for all intents and purposes independently owned and operated.  Read the complaint.  It spells out in no uncertain terms what WWASPS relationship is to IVY Ridge and why the lawsuit was filed.  Now, if you are saying WWASPS is not being truthful, where is the documentation to support your argument?  All I know is what I have read here, on the ISAC website and in the court filings.  So far, I have more faith in the court system to be the one that ultimately sorts this all out.

p.s. No, I am not a WWASPIE or a PURE PERSON.
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