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« on: February 02, 2004, 03:05:00 PM »
Can anyone tell me about this program?  My friend's son was sent there without his dad's knowledge.  He's been there several months now and we are very concerned.  Thanks.
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« Reply #2 on: February 04, 2004, 06:34:00 PM »
Annie,

ISACCORP.com has good information regarding ivy ridge.
http://www.isaccorp.com or isac@yahoo.com
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« Reply #3 on: March 29, 2004, 08:49:00 PM »
please know that your friend's son is safe and in very good hands. My son is there and although he didn't like it at first (what kid would?) He has adjusted well and thanks us for sending him. We are going to get our son back, not the defiant, angry boy that we sent
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« Reply #4 on: March 30, 2004, 08:48:00 AM »
keep dreamin' anon.
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« Reply #5 on: March 30, 2004, 02:32:00 PM »
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"please know that your friend's son is safe and in very good hands. My son is there and although he didn't like it at first (what kid would?) He has adjusted well and thanks us for sending him. We are going to get our son back, not the defiant, angry boy that we sent"


Not very reassuring, since for all we know you could be the program owner.

Parents, there is a lot of bad residential treatment out there.  I have no idea where Ivy Ridge falls on the spectrum of quality of care.

Given the large number of bad places, I'd recommend that parents avoid residential treatment unless the teen wants to go or is an immediate danger to himself or others.

When residential treatment is necessary, I'd recommend that parents ask lots and lots of questions, make unannounced visits, get the answers to their questions signed and in writing, and investigate the particular facility twice as carefully (at least) as they'd investigate a contractor they were thinking of hiring to do expensive work on their house.

If the teen isn't an immediate danger to himself or others (suicidal or violent), and doesn't want to go, I would *strongly* urge parents who feel they cannot live with their teen to try to find other relatives or friends willing to take in the teen *before* considering residential care.

The reason is that this allows the rest of the family and community to serve as a check and balance to the parent's judgement.  Chances are if there's another adult willing to let your teen move in, your belief that residential treatment is necessary is mistaken.  A teen that is defiant with his/her own parents will often be better behaved living with other relatives or friends.
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« Reply #6 on: March 30, 2004, 02:36:00 PM »
FUCKIN LITTLE RICH BASTARDS!!! WHIP 'EM!!! WHIP THEIR FUKKIN ASSES!!!! :rofl:
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« Reply #7 on: March 30, 2004, 03:07:00 PM »
...A teen that is defiant with his/her own parents will often be better behaved living with other relatives or friends....

Ever wonder why that is?  Could be the relatives don't have the same rules.  A lot of times, not always, the relative is just a roof over their head, but don't get into rules as much.  If you have a relative that will be a "parent" that would be a good suggestion.  Why would a teen follow the same rules, just at a different location?
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« Reply #8 on: March 30, 2004, 03:52:00 PM »
Don't blame the parents.  They are easy marks for people (being kind here) who scare them into losing connection with their children by buying into the myth that it "takes a program to raise obedient children".  If parents are guilty of anything, it is believing their children don't need them, for nothing could be further from the truth.  

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« Reply #9 on: March 30, 2004, 04:07:00 PM »
Anybody ever heard the phrase, "Raising a teenager is like nailing jello to a wall?  

There's a huge message in that!
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« Reply #10 on: March 30, 2004, 04:41:00 PM »
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"...A teen that is defiant with his/her own parents will often be better behaved living with other relatives or friends....



Ever wonder why that is?  Could be the relatives don't have the same rules.  A lot of times, not always, the relative is just a roof over their head, but don't get into rules as much.  If you have a relative that will be a "parent" that would be a good suggestion.  Why would a teen follow the same rules, just at a different location?  



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If a kid hasn't internalized his parents' values by the teenage years, he never will.

If he has, he may go through a phase of not following them for awhile, but he'll grow out of it.

For the teenage years, as long as the kid isn't suicidal, or violent, or criminal, living with friends or other relatives is a vast improvement over getting shipped to a private prison.

If the kid is behaving (not suicidal, not violent, not criminal) living with friends or relatives, but not with his parents, it's a sign the parents are making the enormous mistake of trying to treat a teen like you treat a five year old.  It won't work.

Parenting that's appropriate for a five year old almost universally results in opposition and defiance in a teen---and for good biological reasons---the teen's biology has kicked in and is screaming, "time to fly the nest!"

Solution---you let the teen fly the nest, which neutralizes that biological imperative long enough to finish getting the teen trained/educated enough to get out on his own in the work world and earn a living.

If he's internalized his parents values/religion, he'll come back to them in a few years on his own.

If he hasn't, he's *never* going to live by them---his parents have missed their shot and it's just too late.
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« Reply #11 on: February 25, 2005, 11:57:00 AM »
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 I would like to thank the employee of ivy ridge who posted. About the only intelligent post here. I especially like the part about give your kids up for adoption. How true. The mother of my kid stuck her in ivy ridge to get out of paying me childsupport. I'm pissed. I am 46yrs old. I was placed in a real boarding school when I was 6yrs. old Iwas there till I was 14 and told my mother to go to hell. I t took me 2 weeks and a threat to her mother to finally find out where she had put her. It took another 2weeks to get the tour of the place. I have filed for custody.Is there abuse going on a ivy ridge. I guarentee it. I could see it before I ever left my house for the 6hr ride to get there. I have the letters from my daughter telling me not to take her mother to court and try to get her out of the "school" This pissed me off. A real "school" would never have allowed her to know what I was doing. Ask any counselor in the world and they would tell you it was wrong. Excuse my french but read your fucking handbook that you were given on page 12 about manipulation. I was then allowed to go to the school for a tour. I have been a few places in my life. I was an over the road truckdriver. Odgensburg, NY . Been there before the middle of nowwhere. Real onehorse town. ivy ridge will put this town on the map.Probably one ofthe largest employers in the town I do the tour bullshit. I was walking down the hall and the kids would sneak glances at me. I asked about that. I was told until they get to a certain "level" you can't talk. Holly shit, you take a dog to obiedence school and at least he can bark. You know what, I don't have the time to tell you dumb ass parents about it .I have been in Jail (for childsupport) and boarding school for 9yrs and ivy ridge. That is also the degree of dificulty. Jail is a piece of cake . Boarding school sucked and ivy ridge is the bottom of the fucking barrell. If you are a parent reading this, use your fucking yuppy head. You tell your kids you don't want them to grow up and work in Micky D's, Who do you think is taking care of your kids. I went to a bar whileI was there and talked to some people.what a joke.Think of this, where you work, you have good and bad employees. Do you think this shit hole is any different. I went to a so called respectable boarding school. There was sexual abuse there and this was in the 60's. Get you head out of your ass. Can you really be this fucking stupid. You work at a job what happens when you have somebody with power. Your boss, or somebody elses boss. Do some of them abuse the power?? Do cops, judges,teachers and even the asshole security guard abuse there power. Put anybody incontrol of somebody and there is the potential for abuse. Now, take the mentality of some of the employees of ivy ridge. You dumb asses. Do you honestly think that one of these hillbillies wouldn't take a blowjob for a smoke. Hell,our one fucken president did it. Where was the secret service?? This place is supposed to be above that? I have been there done that. Do I still have the scares from when I was in a boarding school. Hell yes, 35 yrs later. You ass holed have more money than brains. Insted of the 2cars and the big house you should of spent somemoney on learning how to be a parent. You invented the word TIME OUT. Now you assholes invented the saying, My kid is out of control. Never heard that when I was growing up.Hey, put the kid on ridlin, he must have a problem. You are the fuckin problem. ivy ridge says the kids made poor choices. The kid had no choice to have a stupid parents. Sorry to go off but I hate yuppys and stupid people. They both blame others for there problems. I used to see the yuppies at my daughter's sports events, Usually standing there talking to another ashole about there job, there new house, cars,... Hey, asshole , your kid just scored a goal. They are the ones who say that they don't know what went wrong with so and so's kid . He came from a good family. Nice neighborhood and gave him or her everything. You know who you are. You sent your kid to a place, Not a school. They cheat to get your kid through school. Your kid is home schooled. If you are so fucking smart, have one of the parents stay home and teach the kid. Save the $ 40,000.00 plus cash. Remember this is equal to making$60,000.00. No don't, you were dumb enough to send your kid to ivy ridge your too stupid to educate them. Shit you too stupid to be a parent. Remember, you are the minority, there are a hell of alot more good parents than bad. Hey, the next time you go out to eat at Micky D's or the country club look at the person who waites on you and tell him that you have more money than him but, he will probably be a better parent. And, for the kids who got out of these places. When you turn 18 get a lawyer. Sue you parents, they fucked you. They put you on this earth and didn't do there job. They had choices. abortion, adoption. But they chose to fuck you up themselves. If your still in ivy ridge, I know you wont be reading this. Also, I would be glad to take a couple kids at my house. You give me custody will call the $40,000.00 childsupport and it will be tax free to me. I will teach you kid what he or she needs to know. EPa3437202@aol.com
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« Reply #12 on: November 25, 2005, 03:54:00 PM »
ACADEMY AT IVY RIDGE IS A SHIT HOLE. THEY LIE TO YOU AND UR KIDS AND ALL THEY WANT IS MONEY. I WENT THERE FOR JUST ABOUT 2 YEARS. ITS A BUNCH OF BULLSHIT. MAYBE U SHOULD JUST BE A BETTER PARENT. SENDING UR KID TO THIS PLACE ISNT GONNA MAKE HIM LIKE U ANY MORE THAN HE ALREADY DOES. THIS PLACE ISNT RIGHT AND ITS NOT NORMAL TO BE LOCKED DOWN WITHOUT ANY CONTACT FROM THE OUTSIDE WORLD. I WOULD ADVISE YOU TO RECONSIDER UR OPTIONS. THIS PLACE IS FUUUUUCKED UP!
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« Reply #13 on: November 25, 2005, 03:56:00 PM »
UR SON IS NOT IN GOOD HANDS. WATCH OUT FOR MR.GEORGE TULIP. JASON FINLINSON IS A BIG DICK HEAD. HES REAL SNEAKY AND HE FINALLY GOT COUGHT WITH THE WHOLE SCHOOL SITUATION. HES A FUCK UP AND NOT A GOOD BUSINESS  MAN. ALL HE WANTS IS MONEY. I WAS PULLED FROM THE PROGRAM DUE TO THE POOR QUALITY OF THE SCHOOL AND THE FUCKED UP PEOPLE WORKING IN IT.
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« Reply #14 on: November 25, 2005, 06:45:00 PM »
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On 2004-03-29 17:49:00, Anonymous wrote:

"please know that your friend's son is safe and in very good hands. My son is there and although he didn't like it at first (what kid would?) He has adjusted well and thanks us for sending him. We are going to get our son back, not the defiant, angry boy that we sent"


Seemingly reassuring, innocuous words, yet disturbing if your think about it. You should be hoping you don't get your son back; not the way he was, anyway. Do you expect to have you son come back the way he was before he began acting defiant and angry? You should not want this. You should want your son to come back more independent of you, not less. He is growing up and should be moving towards more independence, more capable, and more mature than before. The forced compliance methods of these programs will never deliver that.

Show me a teenage boy that isn't at least a little defiant and angry and I'll show you a teenage boy that has either had his testicles removed, or has had the spirit beaten out of him. Statistically, 70 percent of teenage boys commit a crime between the ages of 12 and 18 and 30 percent of them have at least one run-in with police (taken from a TV show on Discovery Channel called Species: Boys).

This same TV show basically said that beginning at puberty, the region of a boy's brain that deals with abstract problem develops quickly complementing the increased aggressiveness of testosterone. The problem is that the boy's decision making and problem solving skills have not kept up. This makes the early teen years difficult and critical for parents as they are faced with a kid's independent thinking, when the thinking can seem crazy. Boys in this age group tend to travel in same-sex groups where the members are competitive and test and push each other.

At the same time, the boy will be moving from believing what his parents taught him towards developing his own beliefs and values. This involves devaluing the parent and looking more to outside sources (peers, teachers, media) for answers and examples. Most of the time, the boy will end up with the same values as his parents, but has come to these values on his own, not just by being told what they are. This is crucial for the developing boy to internalize these values and make them his own as an independent person. The parents role is critical here and involves being the parent, not a friend, and providing a safety net for the teen. This is where talking to the boy is critical; even he seems not be listening. He is listening. He is also considering opposing opinions and arguments. This stuff can be found in pretty much any mainstream parenting article.

Normally, things should settle a bit by the mid teens when/if the boy pair bonds (gets a girlfriend/boyfriend) and starts developing relationship skills.

These so-called schools really mess up this process. By providing too much 'structure', no opposing views, and demanding obedience, no real development occurs. The boy is forced to remain the dependent child. The results of such a deficient upbringing are unpredictable at best. You may get back an obedient son, but will his outward behavior be reflective of internalized values? If not, the original problems will return as the growing process must still take place. Or, the person returned will have a problem living up to an imposed set of standards (that he may actually believe in) but internally there is a disconnect. Also, since these kids are forced to remain in same-sex groups, they never grow beyond this stage and can have delays in developing relationship skills placing them behind others in their age group.
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