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« on: December 16, 2003, 07:16:00 PM »
I found this link about Berryman, a supposed child advocate, doesn't look very good here-

http://wwaspsrebuttal.com/jeff_b.html

Does, he refer students to PURE? If so that does not make much sense.
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« Reply #1 on: December 16, 2003, 08:05:00 PM »
Is what they are saying accurate?  Care to comment?  If you do not comment, I will take that as a yes, it is correct.
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« Reply #2 on: December 17, 2003, 12:30:00 AM »
:rofl:    Mr. Berryman  :wave:  


BTW, was he there to be a character witness or something?

I read that he was posting lies about wwasp all over the internet and was proud of it...any truth to that?
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« Reply #3 on: December 17, 2003, 02:37:00 AM »
I think he looks very hypocritical if he refers to other programs and this guy has no experince, and his conclusions could be on Unsolved Mysteries, their is no scientific data to back his beliefs nor he has any experince working with teens. Cary from my understanding this was a deposition done on Berryman, which is a verbatim of his own anwsers or confessions.

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« Reply #4 on: December 17, 2003, 07:25:00 AM »
Not quite. Perhaps it is verbatim, but that's not what the disclaimer states:

The following is an overview of Jeff B.?s recent deposition in this lawsuit, it is not verbatim nor complete, it is just a witness?s perspective
overview of his testimony. For a complete copy of the deposition email:
ken@wwasp.com and request Jeff B. Deposition)
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« Reply #5 on: December 17, 2003, 07:50:00 AM »
Yes, I saw that it was a sort of summary of his deposition.  That is why I was asking Jeff if he would comment on it and its accuracy.  I think if he doesn't then it must be pretty close to the truth.
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« Reply #6 on: December 17, 2003, 08:45:00 AM »
Carey, very few people care what you saw unless it has to do with more money.  I don't like Jeff D's style either, but what probably happened here, is two things:

First, he should have gone to these schools and gone inside if he was lucky enough to have the chance to be invited inside.  That way, he could speak credibly about these places or even one place, and,

Second, he probably got talked into a hole or was scared by the deposition process, which is no fun and made a poor witness.  It does happen, and quite often.  All of the defense lawyers look pretty weak to me anyway, and that too, is part of the problem.

Like I said, he's not a favorite of mine, but he's brought some awareness to the situation which is good.  As for you, you are a witness that has been paid handsomely for your wares.  As Deb said yesterday, stop using the divide and conquer technique to upset and confuse people on this board.
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« Reply #7 on: December 17, 2003, 09:22:00 AM »
No answers from miss "I know everything now that I have $12,500".
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« Reply #8 on: December 17, 2003, 09:32:00 AM »
Okay, what the hell did this guy say in his deposition?  Some of us were not there and have no clue what you are talking about.
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« Reply #9 on: December 17, 2003, 09:37:00 AM »
If you look at the link (a couple of posts down) you'll see that, at least what WWASP shows on their rebuttal board, is not very flattering to Berryman.  Honestly, the legal process can be pretty overwhelming and his lawyers don't look like they're the legal equivelent of brain surgeons.  It's not necessarily an excuse, but the coaching should have been better and he should have been braced for the unpleasantness of this kind of thing.  He didn't hurt, but he sure didn't help himself or the cause.
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« Reply #10 on: December 17, 2003, 10:38:00 AM »
Naturally, the info available on the WWASP site is going to be spun to their liking. That's how the game is played.

The defendants, otoh, are bound by a preliminary injunction against making any public negative comments about WWASP. That's why they can't answer.

I can guess, though, based on what I've read about Jeff over the last year or more. This is only a guess, just my opinion.

Jeff and Sue and all the Trekkers and PURE ppl are quite sincere and benevolent in their intentions. Except for those of you who have actually been enroled and/or employed in a WWASP facility, none of us can say "I know _____" happens at WWASP facilities. What we can say is that a lot of people make the same claims, many of these claims are consistent with our own experiences at other Synanon based programs and that we, personally, believe them.

Now WWASP seems to me to be holding people's feet to the fire for careless talk. Not necessarily inacurate in content. Just carelessly phrased.

Then throw in the complication of some of these folks believing, in all sincerity, that the basic method is good and helpful and that the solution to the problem is just a kinder, gentler implimentation. No need to attribute bad intent to these people. Good or bad, their intentions are beside the point.

If anyone on either side of this suit really wanted the whole truth told, I would think we'd be reading accurate transcripts and, possibly, seeing digital video. Instead, we're seeing only summaries, selected bits and pieces taken out of context and, for all we know, quite distorted.

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« Reply #11 on: December 17, 2003, 10:53:00 AM »
12,500 ?  that wasn't distorted...kinda like a finders fee if you ask carey.  yes, she sold emails to acquire compensation so children can still be incarserated in the "program".  great job oh brainless one!

carey's depo is about the same; informed everyone at first about spending 15K, then at her depo she escalated it to 20K, now i see on fornits it has jumped to 25-30K...so which one are we to believe now ms. know-it-all?  bearer of the "truth"!
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« Reply #12 on: December 17, 2003, 10:55:00 AM »
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On 2003-12-17 07:53:00, Anonymous wrote:

"12,500 ?  that wasn't distorted...kinda like a finders fee if you ask carey.  yes, she sold emails to acquire compensation so children can still be incarserated in the "program".  great job oh brainless one!



carey's depo is about the same; informed everyone at first about spending 15K, then at her depo she escalated it to 20K, now i see on fornits it has jumped to 25-30K...so which one are we to believe now ms. know-it-all?  bearer of the "truth"!"


So true....So true!!!
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« Reply #13 on: December 17, 2003, 11:02:00 AM »
Go back and do your homework.  My trip to Dundee cost me about $15,000.  The whole ordeal cost me over $25,000.  No one distorted anything, you just don't have all of the details, you don't understand them or you have chosen to just not accept them.




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« Reply #14 on: December 17, 2003, 11:04:00 AM »
You.... what????

The usual prattle from Carey!
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