What is up with Berryman

[Anonymous]

JUDGE:  Granted

ATTORNEY: OK Ms. Bock, how many times have you been committed to a mental hospital in your life?

MS. BOCK: A few times, but it wasn't my fault.

ATTORNEY: Ms. Bock, how did you lose track of your children and then realize all of the sudden they were sent away?

MS. BOCK: Well, I don't know, but it wasn't my fault.

ATTORNEY: Ms. Bock, if I were to give you another $12,500, would you admit to something being your fault?

MS. BOCK:  Well, I might, but my price has gone up to $20,000 and you have to force the ISAC people to let me chat on their board.

[Anonymous]

The real fiction is the alledge abuse that Berryman can tell that is happening. His tatics are anti-scientific, anti-educated, he is going of a whim that makes no sense.  That is liking stating the Earth Is Flat.

[Anonymous]

Carey,

What do you know of Jeff? What is your experince of him?

[Anonymous]

she's probably to busy for fornits now...she's either working at the bank or cashing another dirty check....kching!

[Anonymous]

That's cold??!!

[Anonymous]

Deborah,

Are you affliated with Berryman? What type of formal training do you have working with struggling teens? :eek:

[Anonymous]

Deborah are you avoiding the question?

[Anonymous]

What makes you think Deborah is an educational consultant, Anon?  Nothing I have ever read suggests that is the case, in fact, quite the contrary since I believe it is Deborah who coined the term ED CON.  

 :question:

[Carey]

Deborah is affiliated with Berryman.  They are on another listserv together.

[Antigen]

That's a pretty loose affiliation though, Carey. By that standard, we're all affiliated with everyone who posts to these forums.

When I started as a federal narcotics agent, the budget that we were working with, it was less than $5 million a year, and there was only 125 agents for the entire world to work the narcotic trade that we were fighting in those days.  Times have changed.  The gluttony has grown.
--Nick Navarro, former Broward, FL Sherrif

[Anonymous]

Ginger,  

Are you starting to GET IT yet. Now she is making shit up about Deborah.

Be aware you will be smeared next.

It is what she does best .

[Anonymous]

I have no financial interest in WWASP, PURE, any educational consulting business, educational, therapeutic, or quasi-therapeutic institution.  Let's say I am just a bored lexicographer who had finished his Christmas shopping before Labor Day.  

In preparation for the latest edition of my dictionary,  I am researching possible new definitions of the word "affiliated"

What is your definition  of the word "affiliated"?  Does this definition include ALL persons on the same list serve?  If so, does your definition also include all persons who post to given web site?  (Thus,  WWASPS employees post to Fornits.  Pure Employees post to Fornits.  Therefore, WWASPS is "affiliated" with PURE.) How about people whose sames are listed in the same phone book?

Traditional legal (and dictionary) definitions of "affiliated" would focus on business or familial relationships.  To rephrase the question of the previous post in a more precise way:

1. Has  Deborah ever accepted any monetary or non-monetary compensation from Berryman either as an employee or an independent contractor?


2. Has  Berryman ever accepted any monetary or non-monetary compensation from Deborah either as an employee or an independent contractor?

3. Does Deborah hold any ownership interest of any degree in any business entity (corporation, partnership, limited liability company, trust or non-profit organization)in which Berryman holds an ownership interest of any degree or serves as an employee or director?

4. Is Deborah a creditor (in any amount) of Berryman or any business entity or non-profit organization  in which Berryman holds an ownership interest of any degree or serves as an employee or director?

5. Is Deborah "affiliated"  by family relationship to Berryman in any degree of cosanguinity  higher than third cousin, including
family relationship by marriage?


Sorry folks, unless you can answer "Yes" to any of the above questions (from your  own personal knowledge) this definition of "affiliated"  is worse than worthless.  This attentuated reasoning is a throwback to McCarthy era standard of "If you at any time ever KNEW a communist,  then you must yourself BE a communist"  (Or to put it in more contemporary terms,  since everyone in the world is separated from Kevin Bacon by six degrees of separation or less,  all six billion inhabitants of earth are "affiliated" with Kevin Bacon)

[Antigen]

You MUST be joking! There are some wonderfully tallented and energetic smear artists who frequent these forums. I haven't seen a lot of sign that Carey's even in the top ten.

Here's what I think of Jeff. He thinks the troubled parent industry just needs a little reform. He means well, but I think he's barking up the wrong tree. Remember that Straight started out as an attempt at a kinder, gentler Seed. Based on the words and deeds of about half of the original board of directors, I think they were sincere in that. When that didn't work out, then came LIFE. As de dawg chases it's tail, now we have Bridges to Understanding and Trekkers doing the same damned thing.

And, just as in days gone by, instead of addressing people's concerns about that and looking to the industry's history for instruction, the've fashioned this Scarey Carey hobgoblin on which to blame all the criticism the same way the WWASPies have made a monster out of PURE and pretend no one else has any complaints about them.

"Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so.""--Douglas Adams, Last Chance to See

Since you [US "drug tsar" McCaffrey] control a federal budget that has just been increased from $17.8 billion last year to $19.2 billion this year, is asking people like you if we should continue with our nation's current drug policy like a person asking a barber if one needs a haircut? --
                                                              Orange Country, California
                                                                  Los Angeles Times
                                                                    29 March 2000
--Judge James P. Gray

[Carey]

All I said was that they were affiliated via a listserv.  I guess I should now add a private listserv.

Fact or fiction?  You tell me.

What part of that statement is made up Anon?

[ This Message was edited by: Carey on 2003-12-24 06:56 ]

[Antigen]

Carey, nobody questioned the truth of what you say. I believe you. Why wouldn't Jeff and Deborah be on some of the same lists? They share a lot of the same interests. But that wouldn't make Deborah an edcon.

I was surprised to read from Spots that Deb put her son in another program after the first one. I'd be interested to know what kind of program that was and what she thinks of it. That might shed some light on her beliefs and practices wrt the industry.

Anon (Jeff, maybe?) nailed this one

"This attentuated reasoning is a throwback to McCarthy era standard of "If you at any time ever KNEW a communist, then you must yourself BE a communist"

This seems to be a big problem w/ this issue.

You know, too many weirdos out there. At least with you people I know WHY you are weird!!!

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