On 2003-12-14 16:23:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Antigen,
I get it, you think I'm Sue Sheff. No, no, no. Oh my gosh, No. That may be the greatest insult you have written all evening. If Sue is doing what all of these businesses do that charge parents to get them to the torture houses, she's just as bad as WWASP. So, I hope we've gotten that out of the way.
You and I don't see any of this the same way, which is fine, it's your forum. But I don't think you're helping anyone here.
Bye!"
No, actually I didn't think you were Sue. All those questions would apply to several ppl that I know of.
Whether it's my forum or not, it's still fine that we don't see things the same way. Like I said, I try very hard to keep some seperation between administration and participation. If you twist my arm
and pimp slap me around enough
and I come to the conclusion that I actually have a legal or moral obligation to censor something or ban someone, I'll do it. But I think it completely ruins any shot at intellectual integrity if someone's going behind the scenes trying to create the illusion that people who hold certain views just don't exist.
If it were your forum, would it not be fine for us to differ?
Now, just for the sake of an argument (or, dare I hope, a serious and civil discussion) let's put aside our differences on Carey's selling data to WWASP. Just one final word on that, if I may.
I don't think we're really that far appart on that anyway. I do believe there has already been significant collateral damage from that that Carey would not have wanted to inflict and that she just might (might) not believe is undeserved. That is based on her public statements here as well as a couple of private phone calls, wherein I've never caught her being inconsistent with the public statements. And I'm not entirely sure that she was really pushed into a corner. But it seems a bit more plausible to me than the idea that she's been a secret WWASP mole all along, just doing a damned good job at fooling everybody.
But aside from the data sale, have you ever read anything else she has to say? She had an insider's view of PURE and Trekers for a very long time and she's made some statements and asked some compelling questions about the whole ordeal. No one who would be in the know has ever addressed those questions as far as I know.
Here's one that I find just mind blowing. Apparently, when Carey was desperate to get her boys out of Dundee, she begged Amberly to just send a sworn affidavit that she could show the judge to make the case that the court should immediately order the boys out of Dundee and back to the States. I'm not real clear on the reasons she gave Carey for not doing this. It's probably there, but I'd have to go back and look. But Amberly refused to give these statements that might have helped her get her boys out of Dundee.
Then at the deopo, she found out (and posted publicly) that Amberly
did make up a sworn affidavit after all at the time. She just wouldn't give it to Carey. Instead, she gave it to someone affiliated with PURE. Anyone, please feel free to jump in and correct me if I'm mistating any facts here.
So the court back in La set a hearing for some date in the future, leaving the boys in Costa till at least then. Next thing you know, here's Sue offering salvation at a heafty price. How much? That may be in the forums too, but I can't recall. But I thought it was 5 digits.
What she got for that price was the same damned escorts who normally kidnap kids from school or their beds to take them
in to these programs. And they didn't even do any of the heavy lifting. All they did was show up and look mean and tough while Carey instructed Narvin to turn over her boys to her.
Couple of questions for you regarding that. First, did you read about any of that before just now? Do you believe it or not? Why or why not?
Now, assuming that it's wholely or partially true, what the hell are these people playing at? This, of course, would be mere speculation on our part. As I keep pointing out, no one who's in the know seems willing to volunteer any information about what's going on except to smear Carey. That alone stinks to high heaven.
To make certain that crime does not pay, the government should take it
over and try to run it
--G. Norman Collie
