WHO THE HECK MODERATES THIS BLATHER?

[Anonymous]

Antigen:

While we may disagree on Carey and the ganging up on Froderick13, there is no disagreement between us about Sue Sheff.  If Sue took money to liberate kids and added some huge surcharge as I did read, by the way, in other threads that is 100% wrong.  Sheff represents to the public at large that she is the savior of all troubled kids selflessly fighting against WWASP,  It's obvious that's bullshit.  If she's making money by inducing parents to send kids, already messed up, to torture farms she's WWASP with another name.  Here, we agree.

[Antigen]

On 2003-12-14 16:34:00, Anonymous wrote:

"She testified in the deposition that she went to them.  But on the money, I just want to clarify one thing, are you saying that you'd risk making trouble for a large group of injured parents and take $12,500.00, if you were in the same boat as them and they were confiding in you?  Or would you tell WWASP, go ahead and get your subpoena.  I'd do the "go get your subpoena" plan.  I don't like to be told what to do, especially when it's going to clearly hurt others and help the monsters win law suits just to shut-up people trying to speak out against them.



C'mon Froderik, you'd do the right thing!"

I think Carey's made it very clear that she does not view herself as being in the same boat as the defendants in this case. She's said it over and over again; if you didn't do anything wrong, what are you worried about? Hell, if someone wanted to spend the time, you could search on the net and find reams and volumes of me poking holes big enough to drive a truck through in that argument in different context. But it seems she believes that she wasn't hurting anyone who didn't need a good hurting.

That just seems a whole lot more plausible than to believe that this woman has suddenly suffered a personality transplant and now wants to help WWASP do to others what they've done to her.

The defendants in this case include some of the Trekers. The Trekers hold that they have nothing to do with PURE or with WWASP v PURE. I have a hard time swollowing that. However, I do see a pretty plausible explanation for the discrepancy in their perceptions. They got took by the old "enemy of my enemy is my friend" scam. Since WWWASP hates PURE and PURE makes nice noise about heroically rescuing kids from WWASP, then anyone who questions PURE for any reason must be working for WWASP.

And the Trekers made it abundantly clear that they'd tossed Carey out of their boat anyway and then proceeded to carry out a very Program like smear campaign against her. I don't share the view that everyone on the list deserves what they get. However, I can easily see how someone would have a hard time seeing any difference between this group and WWASP, given what has transpired over the last 7 months.

If only there were evil people somewhere, insidiously committing evil
deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0060007761/circlofmiamithem' target='_new'>Alexandr Solzhenitsyn

[Anonymous]

To the other anon.  Your name is what, Mary Tyler Moore or are you Alice in Wonderland, and you just fell into the rabbit hole?  Nobody here is owed an apology on Carey and I stand by my comments on Greg.  Greg thinks he's Prof. Kingsfield from the Paper Chase TV Series and that tone would annoy most people.

[Anonymous]

Here we go, we're going to disagree again.  If Carey did one thing to accelerate the process in getting WWASP to the people who made the comments against WWASP it's flat out wrong.

The "personality transplant" did not come by accident, but by way of the twelve and a half grand.

Any way you look at it, it's tainted money.

[Anonymous]

On 2003-12-14 17:16:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Antigen:



While we may disagree on Carey and the ganging up on Froderick13, there is no disagreement between us about Sue Sheff.  If Sue took money to liberate kids and added some huge surcharge as I did read, by the way, in other threads that is 100% wrong.  Sheff represents to the public at large that she is the savior of all troubled kids selflessly fighting against WWASP,  It's obvious that's bullshit.  If she's making money by inducing parents to send kids, already messed up, to torture farms she's WWASP with another name.  Here, we agree."

100% wrong and 1,000% MORALLY reprehensible. Downright skanky, in other words.

[GregFL]

Well, at least your not expressing your dislike for me by cussing, swearing, and trying to be totally offensive, but honestly, can you have any conversation without attacking others? Can't you just discuss ideas?

And I am sure those that know me personally are getting quite a kick out of you comparing me to some professor and calling me a dufus and boring.  You obviously don't know me....

Come in the evening, or come in the morning; Come when you 're looked for, or come without warning.
-- Thomas O. Davis (1814-1845): The Welcome.

[Anonymous]

On 2003-12-14 17:21:00, Anonymous wrote:

"To the other anon.  Your name is what, Mary Tyler Moore or are you Alice in Wonderland, and you just fell into the rabbit hole?  Nobody here is owed an apology on Carey and I stand by my comments on Greg.  Greg thinks he's Prof. Kingsfield from the Paper Chase TV Series and that tone would annoy most people.



"

Oh, grow up, insult is insult. Frod13 stepped way over the line of appropriateness. You not seeing this throws you in the, "not old enough/mature enough to know better" catagory.

[Anonymous]

Greg:
If it's OK to call you Greg.  Where I am coming from is that there is a massive amount of hypocrisy on this board.  Look at all the threads. People talk their mind and it gets dicey, and then the owner kicks in with her two cents, which usually is the rambling of someone who smokes weed, and then sides with whoever can't defend themselves.  It doesn't even matter whether they're right or wrong.  Her shield seems to get raised when she's been personally offended, and then you get a long, wordy reply, which depending on how much she's been smoking can be very nasty.

As far as you are concerned, I've read some of your posts and they come accross in such a way so as to suggest you're coming from some higher moral ground.  

The Carey issue is a special issue, which has been discussed here for a long, long time.  Until this week, nobdy truly knew what was going on.  I can't speak for anyone but myself and I have to say that what she did is a major disappointment and while Froderick13 upset some people, his underlying message was correct.

Lots worse has been said on this board and I have not ever seen an apology.  Why should he be the first?

[Anonymous]

Anon:

What I see, is that this board is not the Queen's Annual Garden Party and that the owner has utterly failed to establish what is or is not proper to post on this board.

No rules = no apologies.

[Antigen]

On 2003-12-14 17:27:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Here we go, we're going to disagree again.  If Carey did one thing to accelerate the process in getting WWASP to the people who made the comments against WWASP it's flat out wrong.

So then you think that anyone who says anything bad about WWASP must be the good guys? I might have thought so too if I didn't remember Straight badmouthing The Seed, Art badmouthing Synanon, SAFE badmouthing Straight, etc, ad nauseum.

It just doesn't hold up in the real world.

Now I believe there are innocent ppl hurt by what Carey did. I don't know if she sees that or not. Hell, I don't even know for sure if I'm right about that. It just seems most likely to me to be true.

There's just so much we don't know here that I don't see how anyone can pass judgement with 100% certainty.

I don't even know to a dead certainty that the programs PURE refers to are as bad as WWASP. I know that at least some of them accept involuntary private placement, otherwise they wouldn't use transport services. And, as alluded to above, I've seen that song and dance so many times it's pretty hard to believe it's going to end differently this time. I could be wrong. Time will tell. But I'm ponying up my bet right here and now. I believe that PURE is just another ed CON. I'll eat it later if I'm wrong.

The "personality transplant" did not come by accident, but by way of the twelve and a half grand.



Any way you look at it, it's tainted money."

All of our money is tainted. Do you buy anything made in China? How do you know it's not made by child slaves? Do you own or have you ever given someone a diamond? You may well have paid to have someone's foot cut off to prevent their running away with some of the daily take from the mines. Like veal? Drive a car? Then you have some responsibility for some of the people who've killed or died over oil.

Is anyone on this planet pure as the driven snow and innocent as a lamb? Only young infants. That's why people are so drawn to them, I think.

Homeschool is self regulating. The school board is not going to have illiterate useless people living in their homes forever if they don't have a working education policy.

--Sisterbluerose

[Anonymous]

Antigen,
In your parallel the diamond buyer or the buyer of something made in China doesn't know for certain that the item they're purchasing caused the expoitation of another.  With Carey, there is no doubt that she took money from WWASP which literally celebrates their reputation of torturing children.  Also, Carey knew there were people who might be harmed by what she was doing.  If you liker and what she did then I say fine, but wow is that messed up!

[GregFL]

Sure you can call me Greg as long as you tell me your name. Tit for tat.


Moral high ground? that is just some fantasy of yours. I have well formed opinions that come from many hours of researching my topic. If you disagree, then that is your right and I would hope that you would express your disagreement. That is why I participate here, for discussion.


That is also the right of the owner of this forum, Ginger. She is also a participant and is very well informed and has solid opinions. You don't agree with them so you get personal..just as you did with me..a very weak and old debating tactic  called ad hominem that just plain doesn't work and makes a fool out of the person that is doing the attacking.

               The body of
        Benjamin Franklin, printer,
      (Like the cover of an old book,
            Its contents worn out,
    And scripts of it's lettering and gilding)
       Lies Here, food for worms!
     Yet the work itself shall not be lost,
For it will, as he believed, appear once more
                 In a new
         And more beautiful edition,
          Corrected and amended
                By it's Author!

Epitaph for himself.

--Benjamin Franklin 1706-1790

[Antigen]

On 2003-12-14 17:55:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Anon:



What I see, is that this board is not the Queen's Annual Garden Party and that the owner has utterly failed to establish what is or is not proper to post on this board.



No rules = no apologies."

I'm not your mommy. It's not my place to establish for you what is and is not proper to post on this board.

Why do you have such a hard time with that? You want to see what an unmoderated forum full of rough players looks like after a number of years? Here
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=alt.l ... n=us&hl=en

Legalizing drugs is far from a panacea for all the distress caused by drugs, but it will eliminate most of the profit and corruption from the drug trade.

--Nobel laureate, Gary S. Becker

[Anonymous]

As I said an hour or two ago, we don't agree.  I didn't realize you two are a tag team.

[Anonymous]

By the way Greg, the tactic as you called it seems to work fine, just look at the stats on this thread, it's more than this tired old board has seen in such a short period of time in quire awhile.  By the way, your last sentence got a little personal, so you're catching on.