WHO THE HECK MODERATES THIS BLATHER?

[Antigen]

On 2003-12-14 17:52:00, Anonymous wrote:

Her shield seems to get raised when she's been personally offended, and then you get a long, wordy reply, which depending on how much she's been smoking can be very nasty.

No, my shield is raised whenever sombody tries to press me into involuntary servitude or whenever I feel the need to stave off the ad hominems in order to get at answer that I want. Ask Nazi. No, wait! ask Artman111.

Actually, I tend to be more gentle, philisophical, maybe boring to you, when I've had a toke or two. If you're looking for an excuse to discard anything I have to say that doesn't fit your views, that's just as good an excuse as any, I suppose. But it won't stop other people from simply discussing the issues and passing on the ad hominems.

WHEN SPIDERS UNITE, THEY CAN TIE DOWN A LION  
-- Ethiopian Proverb

[GregFL]

You called me Greg again.  


What is your name??

That which does not kill you can make you stronger, but I really never needed to be this strong.



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[Anonymous]

Antigen,
I understand your position better than you think.

[Anonymous]

Eleanor Roosevelt is my name.

[Antigen]

On 2003-12-14 18:06:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Antigen,

In your parallel the diamond buyer or the buyer of something made in China doesn't know for certain that the item they're purchasing caused the expoitation of another.  With Carey, there is no doubt that she took money from WWASP which literally celebrates their reputation of torturing children.  Also, Carey knew there were people who might be harmed by what she was doing.  If you liker and what she did then I say fine, but wow is that messed up!"

Ok, if you buy 100 things made in China, you can safely assume that some of them were made with slave labour. Oh, and btw, you know to a dead certainty that an American lost their job when the merchant quit buying American and started importing from China.

I don't see how Carey made any money for WWASP. She took some of their profit and redirected it to, one would assume, housing, feeding, clothing and making Christmas for her sons. If I had a chance to take a few grand from Melvin Sembler without hurting anyone who didn't need hurting I'd jump on it.

Now think about that for a moment, please. One of the big problems I've had right from the get go with legal proceedings against Programs is that there are so many relatively innocent victims involved and the truely guilty have a way of skating free while their faithful chumps take the beating.

Carey didn't know about this industry till she found out that her ex had sent her sons there, what? just over a year ago? I can easily understand how someone in her position might make a mistake in thinking that everyone involved is a bad guy. It is essentially the same reason, I believe, why you have concluded, on spare evidence, that she's a bad woman. You have to be mad at someone and the real culprits are beyond your immediate reach.

Long term, if we can resist the urge to jump to conclusions and attack the easier targets, we might get down to the truth of the matter so that the real bad guys can't run their scam anymore because everyone sees them coming.

That's what I'm all about here. "There ain't no good guys, there ain't no bad guys. There's only you and me and we just disagree."--Gerry Garcia

Now, put that in your pipe and smoke it ::rainbow::

The worst government is the most moral. One composed of cynics
is often very tolerant and human. But when fanatics are on top,
there is no limit to oppression.

--H.L. Mencken

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[Antigen]

On 2003-12-14 18:21:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Antigen,

I understand your position better than you think."

Well cool then! Greg must be rubbing off on me. (Doh!)

Some mornings, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps.
-- Emo Phillips

[GregFL]

Well Eleanor, we have something in common..my aunt is named eleanor.

In any event, this is Ginger's ballgame. She runs this forum as she sees fit. If I was in her position, I would leave any post that discussed the issue and promptly delete any or all ad hominem attacks. Ginger and I don't see eye to eye on this, but I understand and deeply respect her position on the matter.

So Eleanor, or whatever your name is...here is my deal. I don't give a shit whether you like me or agree with me, but I won't play personal attack games with you. If you want to disagree with me, bring it on...I love a good disagrement. If you want to poke fun and personally attack people, I would suggest you take your toys and go play with someone else.

If only there were evil people somewhere, insidiously committing evil
deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?
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[Anonymous]

Actually Antigen, I don't think you would have taken the money under the same circumstances.  It may be the only compliment I'll pay you all night.

[Anonymous]

Very clever Greg.  Sorry, you're back to full doofus status again!

[Anonymous]

On 2003-12-14 17:52:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Greg:

If it's OK to call you Greg.  Where I am coming from is that there is a massive amount of hypocrisy on this board.  Look at all the threads. People talk their mind and it gets dicey, and then the owner kicks in with her two cents, which usually is the rambling of someone who smokes weed, and then sides with whoever can't defend themselves.  It doesn't even matter whether they're right or wrong.  Her shield seems to get raised when she's been personally offended, and then you get a long, wordy reply, which depending on how much she's been smoking can be very nasty.



As far as you are concerned, I've read some of your posts and they come accross in such a way so as to suggest you're coming from some higher moral ground.  



The Carey issue is a special issue, which has been discussed here for a long, long time.  Until this week, nobdy truly knew what was going on.  I can't speak for anyone but myself and I have to say that what she did is a major disappointment and while Froderick13 upset some people, his underlying message was correct.



Lots worse has been said on this board and I have not ever seen an apology.  Why should he be the first?"

Look, Froderick didn't just upset some people. He upset each and every person who read his posts only to find out whatever message the guy was trying to get out, had been said before, ad nauseum.  Bottom line, the guy isn't just crude, he is delusional (remember the post where he equated himself with being christ-like??) and unless and until he tires of this game he is playing and packs it in, he'll be yanking our chain 24-7.  One thing that does offer some hope for the guy is to show him exactly what went down during the past couple of months with the WWASPS v. PURE civil action. The guys simply does not have a clue but sooner or later, he will have to wise up.  (Let's just hope it is sooner, rather than later!)   :rofl:

[Antigen]

On 2003-12-14 18:36:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Actually Antigen, I don't think you would have taken the money under the same circumstances.  It may be the only compliment I'll pay you all night."

Well thanks for that. I don't know that I wouldn't because I'm not sure I know all of the circumstances. There are conflicting accounts of the story, muddled with a lot of assumptions at this point.

In a big way, this is very like an out of hand PTA meeting. And I have seen a PTA meeting come pretty close to a riot before! There are the veteran players with various alliances and there are the folk who recently came on the scene. All the passion and outrage comes from the new players, regardless of their chosen alliances. I'm a vet. I'm cynical and skeptical as hell. The one thing I've learned over the years is that, no matter how much you think you understand, there's always more.

I don't have The Solution® I think we need to put a lot more heads together before we come up with a way to win. But I'm damned sure a veteran at not losing.

Some mornings, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps.
-- Emo Phillips

[GregFL]

That's what I'm all about here. "There ain't no good guys, there ain't no bad guys. There's only you and me and we just disagree."--Gerry Garcia


Ginger, great quote...but I believe the author is Dave Mason.

When Plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in a society, they create for themselves in the course of time, a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it.
--Fredric Bastiat

[Antigen]

Oh, and Greg, as I keep saying to my online game addicted adoptive son, my mud's better than your mud! :razz:

We'll just see who's method pans out. I must admit, though, you were right about Bingo! Amazing!

They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
-- Benjamin Franklin

[Antigen]

On 2003-12-14 18:47:00, GregFL wrote:

I believe the author is Dave Mason.

Damn you, Greg from Florida!!! You're probably right.

You should be allowed to do whatever you want with your own person and property, as long as you don't physically harm the person or property of a nonconsenting other.
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[Anonymous]

I understand what you're saying and there is a valid point in what you say, but he's a GREAT noisemaker and considering the informality of the forum I would think it's easily something everyone can live with.  Not everyone can be a great wordsmith, and he is thought provoking (in a very good way).