Ridge Creek "School" - Serious Safety Issues/ORS Violation

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Well, I think it's best to keep discussing this ureported rape at RCS/HLA prison camp because the more we keep it out here in the open the more it climbs up the Google results so people will see it right away.  So far it went from not even being hit on the first three pages of results to now being the seventh hit on the first page.

Even though we have to go with the written report about the girl's "unwanted sexual activity" with the "older male inmate" which according to the dictionary, commonly understood to define a language, is rape.  If Whooter is unhappy with the dictionary maybe he can bring that up with Mr. Webster to try to get it changed.  

In either case, keeping this DHS incident report about unwanted sexual contact between inmates in the largely unsupervised RCS/HLA prison camp visilble to readers is only going to help raise awareness about this dangerous private prison camp for kids.  So I'm in favor of continuing this discussion.

The results are similar to when you Google "Behrens study" and the very first hit shows that the programs in the study neglected, abused and even killed kids and some were shut down for it.  It helps the truth be seen first and I'm in favor of that with this topic, too.

[Dysfunction Junction]

R 0862 290-2-5-.08(7)(a-g) Staffing.
SS=D
This [detailed written summary] report shall be made regarding serious occurrences involving children in care,
including but not limited to:
(a) Accidents or injuries requiring medical treatment and/or hospitalization;
(b) Death;
(c) Suicide attempts;

This Requirement is not met as evidenced by:
Based on record review and staff interview, the agency failed to report incidents regarding
serious occurrences involving children in care in ten of thirty-five incidents reviewed;

Wow.  In almost one third of reportable incidents involving "serious occurrences involving children" which includes items such as "hospitalization, death and suicide attempts"  RCS failed even to report the occurences.  That is a staggering figure.  

How could anyone be comfortable with their child in a facility like this where "serious" things happen to your kid and they don't even make a written record of it, much less report it.  That's downright scary!

[Whooter]

Well, I think it's best to keep discussing this ureported rape at RCS/HLA prison camp because the more we keep it out here in the open the more it climbs up the Google results so people will see it right away.  So far it went from not even being hit on the first three pages of results to now being the seventh hit on the first page.

Even though we have to go with the written report about the girl's "unwanted sexual activity" with the "older male inmate" which according to the dictionary, commonly understood to define a language, is rape.  If Whooter is unhappy with the dictionary maybe he can bring that up with Mr. Webster to try to get it changed.  

In either case, keeping this DHS incident report about unwanted sexual contact between inmates in the largely unsupervised RCS/HLA prison camp visilble to readers is only going to help raise awareness about this dangerous private prison camp for kids.  So I'm in favor of continuing this discussion.

The results are similar to when you Google "Behrens study" and the very first hit shows that the programs in the study neglected, abused and even killed kids and some were shut down for it.  It helps the truth be seen first and I'm in favor of that with this topic, too.

This is one area where we agree, DJ.  The main thing is to raise awareness and to get the facts out to the people.  If we can get them to read the studies and the ORS reports then we are doing a service to the readers.  Whether you feel it is a rape or other people feel it was something else does not really matter.  If people are interested then they look at the original studies and reports themselves and not rely on opinions of people they do not know.  This way they get to determine for themselves.

Personally I think you discredit yourself with you interpretation of the ORS report.



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[Dysfunction Junction]

I can't imagine how you could construe my citing the dictionary definition of "sexual activity" as "interpretation."  It's actually quite the opposite of interpretation, now isn't it?  It is, in fact, the definition itself.  I think most people understand this dichotomy.

[Whooter]

I can't imagine how you could construe my citing the dictionary definition of "sexual activity" as "interpretation."  It's actually quite the opposite of interpretation, now isn't it?  It is, in fact, the definition itself.  I think most people understand this dichotomy.

You picked one interpretation from a Thesaurus, DJ.  If you feel the girl was raped then that is you right.  The ORS does not see it that way and either do I.  

The main thing is that people get to read the reports and studies for themselves and they can decide.  I think this is something we can agree on ...  lets get the information to the readers!



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[Dysfunction Junction]

I can't imagine how you could construe my citing the dictionary definition of "sexual activity" as "interpretation."  It's actually quite the opposite of interpretation, now isn't it?  It is, in fact, the definition itself.  I think most people understand this dichotomy.

You picked one interpretation from a Thesaurus, DJ.  If you feel the girl was raped then that is you right.  The ORS does not see it that way and either do I.  

The main thing is that people get to read the reports and studies for themselves and they can decide.  I think this is something we can agree on ...  lets get the information to the readers!



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No wonder you're having so much trouble keeping up with this discussion.  I figured there must have been some root to the ignorance on display and now I understand it.

Here, let me help you again with a definition:

http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/we ... 20activity

We can see once more that this is the definition of "sexual activity":

Noun
(n) sexual activity, sexual practice, sex, sex activity (activities associated with sexual intercourse) "they had sex in the back seat"

[Dysfunction Junction]

With the issue of rape having been settled properly by the dictionary of all sources, w can move on to why serious incidents aren't recorded by RCS/HLA:

R 0862 290-2-5-.08(7)(a-g) Staffing.
SS=D
This [detailed written summary] report shall be made regarding serious occurrences involving children in care,
including but not limited to:
(a) Accidents or injuries requiring medical treatment and/or hospitalization;
(b) Death;
(c) Suicide attempts;

This Requirement is not met as evidenced by:
Based on record review and staff interview, the agency failed to report incidents regarding
serious occurrences involving children in care in ten of thirty-five incidents reviewed;

Wow.  In almost one third of reportable incidents involving "serious occurrences involving children" which includes items such as "hospitalization, death and suicide attempts"  RCS failed even to report the occurences.  That is a staggering figure.  

How could anyone be comfortable with their child in a facility like this where "serious" things happen to your kid and they don't even make a written record of it, much less report it.  That's downright scary!

[Whooter]

Sometimes when there is a disagreement it is good to look at the original document.  Sexual activity can have many meanings including masturbation, sex, foreplay, flirting etc. as I provided a link for earlier, there was no specifics mentioned in the ORS report about Rape.

So I think we can all agree that the ORS report did not mention that a girl was raped.  If a girl had been raped they would have put it in the report, but they did not.  DJ just made this up, but why?

 As far as the report goes here is a clip:

Based on record review, resident and staff interviews, the agency failed to provide for the needs,
care, protection, and supervision of the children in care;
Findings Include:
(1) During an interviews conducted on September 1, 2010 from 1:00 pm-3:30 pm with Residents
101, 102, 108, 109, 110, and 112 in which all residents acknowledged that they are aware of
residents engaging in sexually inappropriate behavior. It was reported that the residents would
sneak off in designated areas unbeknownst to staff.
(2) Record review on September 1, 2010 of Incident Report dated 06-06-10 for Resident #11
revealed Resident #11 along with 6 other females disclosed to staff an incident involving sexual
activity between Resident #11 and an older male resident. It was documented that Resident #11
appeared upset and stated that what occurred between herself (R11) and the male resident was
an unwelcome encounter.

I was speculating as to why DJ would make up a lie about any of the above kids being raped at RCS and I believe it is probably due the fact that he is still upset about being fired from HLA for selling drugs to kids. If you can think of another reason he would lie I would be open to your input.



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[Dysfunction Junction]

I can't imagine how you could construe my citing the dictionary definition of "sexual activity" as "interpretation."  It's actually quite the opposite of interpretation, now isn't it?  It is, in fact, the definition itself.  I think most people understand this dichotomy.

You picked one interpretation from a Thesaurus, DJ.  If you feel the girl was raped then that is you right.  The ORS does not see it that way and either do I.  

The main thing is that people get to read the reports and studies for themselves and they can decide.  I think this is something we can agree on ...  lets get the information to the readers!



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No wonder you're having so much trouble keeping up with this discussion.  I figured there must have been some root to the ignorance on display and now I understand it.

Here, let me help you again with a definition:

http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/we ... 20activity

We can see once more that this is the definition of "sexual activity":

Noun
(n) sexual activity, sexual practice, sex, sex activity (activities associated with sexual intercourse) "they had sex in the back seat"

I believe, according to the English language as cited in this dictionary definition, she was raped.  The next question here is "why wasn't it reported and had to be discovered by investigation?"

[Whooter]

It is possible that they had sex, but we dont know.  The ORS report did not say that a rape occurred  There are so many other possibilities.

Human sexual activities or human sexual practices or human sexual behavior refers to the manner in which humans experience and express their sexuality. People engage in a variety of sexual acts from time to time, and for a wide variety of reasons. Sexual activity normally results in sexual arousal and physiological changes in the aroused person, some of which are pronounced while others are more subtle. The objective of sexual activity in humans is typically to achieve orgasm. Sexual activity also includes conduct and activities which are intended to arouse the sexual interest of another, such as strategies to find or attract partners (mating and display behavior), and personal interactions between individuals, such as flirting and foreplay.

Link

So to come out and say the girl was raped is a lie because the facts are not there to support that conclusion as reported by the ORS report.  I think you are a little biased and are jumping to conclusions, DJ, in an effort to try and make the school look bad because of your past experiences and employment history.



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[Dysfunction Junction]

Here, let me help you again with a definition:

http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/we ... 20activity

We can see once more that this is the definition of "sexual activity":

Noun
(n) sexual activity, sexual practice, sex, sex activity (activities associated with sexual intercourse) "they had sex in the back seat"

I don't want to be confused on this point because it's very important.  I don't believe the DHS is basing their report language on the Wikipedia entry Whooter linked to, but the dictionary is crystal clear on this matter, as was DHS - "Unwelcome sexual activity" is the exact wording they used, which is the definition of "rape."

This shouldn't be minimized.  It's a serious matter.

[Whooter]

I understand your thoughts, DJ, here is information I found on the subject and a link to support my position:

It is possible that they had sex, but we dont know.  The ORS report did not say that a rape occurred  There are so many other possibilities.

Human sexual activities or human sexual practices or human sexual behavior refers to the manner in which humans experience and express their sexuality. People engage in a variety of sexual acts from time to time, and for a wide variety of reasons. Sexual activity normally results in sexual arousal and physiological changes in the aroused person, some of which are pronounced while others are more subtle. The objective of sexual activity in humans is typically to achieve orgasm. Sexual activity also includes conduct and activities which are intended to arouse the sexual interest of another, such as strategies to find or attract partners (mating and display behavior), and personal interactions between individuals, such as flirting and foreplay.

Link

So to come out and say the girl was raped is a lie because the facts are not there to support that conclusion as reported by the ORS report.  I think you are a little biased and are jumping to conclusions, DJ, in an effort to try and make the school look bad because of your past experiences and employment history.



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[Dysfunction Junction]

There's still this pesky English language thing.  I understand i's a high hurdle to overcome to be credible, Whooter, but you will have to somehow overcome the dictionary definition and the English language to clear it.  You have been unable to do anything but link to Wikipedia which isn't cutting it.  But let's keep the story of unreported rapes at RCS at the top of the discussion with some facts:

I can't imagine how you could construe my citing the dictionary definition of "sexual activity" as "interpretation."  It's actually quite the opposite of interpretation, now isn't it?  It is, in fact, the definition itself.  I think most people understand this dichotomy.

You picked one interpretation from a Thesaurus, DJ.  If you feel the girl was raped then that is you right.  The ORS does not see it that way and either do I.  

The main thing is that people get to read the reports and studies for themselves and they can decide.  I think this is something we can agree on ...  lets get the information to the readers!



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No wonder you're having so much trouble keeping up with this discussion.  I figured there must have been some root to the ignorance on display and now I understand it.

Here, let me help you again with a definition:

http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/we ... 20activity

We can see once more that this is the definition of "sexual activity":

Noun
(n) sexual activity, sexual practice, sex, sex activity (activities associated with sexual intercourse) "they had sex in the back seat"

I believe, according to the English language as cited in this dictionary definition, she was raped.  The next question here is "why wasn't it reported and had to be discovered by investigation?"

[Whooter]

There's still this pesky English language thing.  I understand i's a high hurdle to overcome to be credible, Whooter, but you will have to somehow overcome the dictionary definition and the English language to clear it.  You have been unable to do anything but link to Wikipedia which isn't cutting it.  But let's keep the story of unreported rapes at RCS at the top of the discussion with some facts.

We both agree here that sexual activity can mean a variety of activities from sex, masturbation to flirting.  When people read that there were rapes at RCS they will want to look at the report.  Then they will understand for themselves.  This is part of getting the word out DJ.  The same with the Studies.  If we can get their attention and put the information under peoples noses so that they can read it for themselves then that is half the battle.  

Once they read it for themselves they will make up their own minds.



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[Dysfunction Junction]

There's still this pesky English language thing.  I understand i's a high hurdle to overcome to be credible, Whooter, but you will have to somehow overcome the dictionary definition and the English language to clear it.  You have been unable to do anything but link to Wikipedia which isn't cutting it.  But let's keep the story of unreported rapes at RCS at the top of the discussion with some facts.

We both agree here that sexual activity can mean a variety of activities from sex, masturbation to flirting.  When people read that there were rapes at RCS they will want to look at the report.  Then they will understand for themselves.  This is part of getting the word out DJ.  The same with the Studies.  If we can get their attention and put the information under peoples noses so that they can read it for themselves then that is half the battle.  

Once they read it for themselves they will make up their own minds.



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No, the dictionary and I agree that "sexual activity" means "sexual intercourse."  Maybe you missed that in about ten of my posts?  

Only you disagree with the dictionary and the English language.