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Re: Ridge Creek School - Serious Safety Issues/ORS Violation
« Reply #300 on: December 19, 2010, 07:11:39 PM »
You can try to change the subject, Bruce, but the ORS report never stated that anyone was raped yet:

Here is what DJ said:

"This girl was raped by a male inmate due to lack of supervision".

Link

Why would someone say this?  Why would a guy who was fired from HLA after it was revealed that he had a felony conviction for selling drugs try to make the business that fired him look bad?  Hmmm.  Do you see what I mean?



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Re: Ridge Creek School - Serious Safety Issues/ORS Violation
« Reply #301 on: December 19, 2010, 07:22:46 PM »
And why would someone who has a fiduciary interest to HLA try and lie and downplay the incident as merely flirting? Do you see what I mean?

By the way I'm still waiting on you to provide some sort of evidence to back up your lie that DJ was ever fired from HLA. Chances are however you won't.
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Re: Ridge Creek School - Serious Safety Issues/ORS Violation
« Reply #302 on: December 19, 2010, 07:28:12 PM »
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And why would someone who has a fiduciary interest to HLA try and lie and downplay the incident as merely flirting? Do you see what I mean?

I provided a link to what DJ stated.  You cannot provide a link which shows I stated the girl was flirting.  I believe I said sexual activity could be flirting, masturbation ect.  I later produced a link which gives a wide definition from having sex to flirting.  But my point is that the ORS report doesnt say specifically either way whether the kids had sex or not.

DJ lied about this.   My belief is that he was motivated to lie and mislead the readers because he wants to make RCS look as bad a possible in retaliation for being fired by them when the school found out that he had felony conviction for selling drugs.  He was out on his butt without a job which was due to his own actions, but he still needs to blame others for some reason.  Maybe it is accountability that he struggles with.



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Re: Ridge Creek School - Serious Safety Issues/ORS Violation
« Reply #303 on: December 20, 2010, 12:42:49 AM »
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I provided a link to what DJ stated. You cannot provide a link which shows I stated the girl was flirting. I believe I said sexual activity could be flirting, masturbation ect. I later produced a link which gives a wide definition from having sex to flirting. But my point is that the ORS report doesnt say specifically either way whether the kids had sex or not.


Please provide a link to a definition of uwanted sexual act defined as flirting. The whole point was you were attempting to downplay the incident when you had no basis to do so.

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DJ lied about this. My belief is that he was motivated to lie and mislead the readers because he wants to make RCS look as bad a possible in retaliation for being fired by them when the school found out that he had felony conviction for selling drugs. He was out on his butt without a job which was due to his own actions, but he still needs to blame others for some reason. Maybe it is accountability that he struggles with.


And my belief is you were motivated to lie and downplay the incident because of your fidiucary interests. In the meantime I'm still waiting on you to provide some sort of evidence to back up your lie that DJ was fired from HLA. Given that it is consistently you who is afraid to back up his own comments, it looks like it is also you who struggles with accountability.
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Re: Ridge Creek School - Serious Safety Issues/ORS Violation
« Reply #304 on: December 20, 2010, 06:40:52 AM »
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Whooter I wonder if it's at all possible for you to simply debate someone, without resorting to attempts at personal attacks or lying about the other person.

That being said, do you happen to know for a fact what the incident was in question that the report refers to?

If I attacked anyone, I apologize, I didnt see any attacks in the last several posts.  As far as the report goes here is a clip:

Quote from: "ORS Report on RCS/HLA Prison Camp"
Based on record review, resident and staff interviews, the agency failed to provide for the needs,
care, protection, and supervision of the children in care;
Findings Include:
(1) During an interviews conducted on September 1, 2010 from 1:00 pm-3:30 pm with Residents
101, 102, 108, 109, 110, and 112 in which all residents acknowledged that they are aware of
residents engaging in sexually inappropriate behavior. It was reported that the residents would
sneak off in designated areas unbeknownst to staff.

(2) Record review on September 1, 2010 of Incident Report dated 06-06-10 for Resident #11
revealed Resident #11 along with 6 other females disclosed to staff an incident involving sexual
activity between Resident #11 and an older male resident. It was documented that Resident #11
appeared upset and stated that what occurred between herself (R11) and the male resident was
an unwelcome encounter.

I was speculating as to why DJ would make up a lie about any of the above kids being raped at RCS and I believe it is probably due the fact that he is still upset about being fired from HLA. If you can think of another reason he would lie I would be open to your input.



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Here's the definition of "sexual activity":

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Noun 1. sexual activity - activities associated with sexual intercourse; "they had sex in the back seat"

definition

So, now we see "sexual activity" by defintion means "sexual intercourse."  We also see from the report that this sexual intercourse was "unwelcome," i.e. the girl was raped. "Unwelcome sexual intercourse," Whooter.  Read it carefully and try to understand what it means.  It's the definition of "rape."

Like I said, Whooter, educate yourself before you take extreme positions like this and expose yourself not only as an extremist, but also a liar.  Not good.

Lol, Whooter.  I guess The Dictionary also used to work at HLA and was fired and because it's disgruntled now it changed its definition of "sexual activity" to support its agenda.

I'll go with The Dictionary on this one, Whooter.

It's actually very clear, RB.  The report states she was the victim of "unwanted sexual activity" from and older male inmate.  That happens to meet the dictionary definition of "rape."  
See the link above.

I don't believe ORS is using the "wikipedia" definitions that Whooter provided, lol.

RB, you also have to keep in mind that Whooter is strongly motivated to change the defintion of rape.  Earlier in this thread when he was talking about his time in isolation cells while he was in prison, he didn't give you all the details. He wasn't a threat to others and in need of solitary confinement.  He was in what's called "protective custody" when he was in prison to protect him from other inmates because of the nature of his crimes.  He has admitted this before.

Whooter went to prison because he was convicted of "sexual contact with a child" which he descirbed to the prosecutor  as "flirting," but the court saw it differently and put him in prison for it.  Each conversation we have here about rape involves Whooter trying to redefine the word because of his previous prison experience.  

This is also why he accuses everyone here of "molesting their own kids" when he feels like he lost an argument.  He has to live with the fact that this is exactly what he did and went to prison for, so he knows the shame and it causes when people know this about him, so he tries to put that same shame on others.  It's called "projection."

If you can think of any other reasons he would lie about this girl's rape and the documentation about it, I'd be interested to hear.  This is not an attack, either.  It's just what Whooter has already admitted and I think it colors his opinions on the subject.

Of course I was never fired from HLA, RB.  We know that.  Many HLA employees have posted here before and not one sinle one ever accused me of that - they know better.  HLA/RCS intentionally hires people with felony convictions because they consider it "life experience" and we already know from the reports they don't do background checks.  There were at least three convicted felons working at HLA when I was there.  It was pretty common.  Looks like it's still their policy at RCS.
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Re: Ridge Creek School - Serious Safety Issues/ORS Violation
« Reply #305 on: December 20, 2010, 06:48:26 AM »
The ORS report never stated that anyone was raped yet DJ made this up:

Here is what DJ said:

"This girl was raped by a male inmate due to lack of supervision".

Link

Why would someone say this?  Why would a guy who was fired from HLA after it was revealed that he had a felony conviction for selling drugs try to make the business that fired him look bad?  Hmmm.  Do you see what I mean?



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Re: Ridge Creek School - Serious Safety Issues/ORS Violation
« Reply #306 on: December 20, 2010, 06:50:02 AM »
Sexual activity doesnt mean the girl was raped!  lol

It is possible that they had sex, but we dont know.  The ORS report did not say that a rape occurred  There are so many other possibilities.

Human sexual activities or human sexual practices or human sexual behavior refers to the manner in which humans experience and express their sexuality. People engage in a variety of sexual acts from time to time, and for a wide variety of reasons. Sexual activity normally results in sexual arousal and physiological changes in the aroused person, some of which are pronounced while others are more subtle. The objective of sexual activity in humans is typically to achieve orgasm. Sexual activity also includes conduct and activities which are intended to arouse the sexual interest of another, such as strategies to find or attract partners (mating and display behavior), and personal interactions between individuals, such as flirting and foreplay.

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So to come out and say the girl was raped is a lie because the facts are not there to support that conclusion as reported by the ORS report.  I think you are a little biased and are jumping to conclusions, DJ, in an effort to try and make the school look bad because of your past experiences and employment history.



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Re: Ridge Creek School - Serious Safety Issues/ORS Violation
« Reply #307 on: December 20, 2010, 06:54:18 AM »
It's actually very clear, RB. The report states she was the victim of "unwanted sexual activity" from and older male inmate. That happens to meet the dictionary definition of "rape."
See the link above.

I don't believe ORS is using the "wikipedia" definitions that Whooter provided, lol.

RB, you also have to keep in mind that Whooter is strongly motivated to change the defintion of rape. Earlier in this thread when he was talking about his time in isolation cells while he was in prison, he didn't give you all the details. He wasn't a threat to others and in need of solitary confinement. He was in what's called "protective custody" when he was in prison to protect him from other inmates because of the nature of his crimes. He has admitted this before.

Whooter went to prison because he was convicted of "sexual contact with a child" which he descirbed to the prosecutor as "flirting," but the court saw it differently and put him in prison for it. Each conversation we have here about rape involves Whooter trying to redefine the word because of his previous prison experience.

This is also why he accuses everyone here of "molesting their own kids" when he feels like he lost an argument. He has to live with the fact that this is exactly what he did and went to prison for, so he knows the shame and it causes when people know this about him, so he tries to put that same shame on others. It's called "projection."

If you can think of any other reasons he would lie about this girl's rape and the documentation about it, I'd be interested to hear. This is not an attack, either. It's just what Whooter has already admitted and I think it colors his opinions on the subject.

Of course I was never fired from HLA, RB. We know that. Many HLA employees have posted here before and not one sinle one ever accused me of that - they know better. HLA/RCS intentionally hires people with felony convictions because they consider it "life experience" and we already know from the reports they don't do background checks. There were at least three convicted felons working at HLA when I was there. It was pretty common. Looks like it's still their policy at RCS.
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Re: Ridge Creek School - Serious Safety Issues/ORS Violation
« Reply #308 on: December 20, 2010, 07:20:14 AM »
So I think we can all agree that the ORS report did not mention that a girl was raped.  If a girl had been raped they would have put it in the report, but they did not.  DJ just made this up, but why?

 As far as the report goes here is a clip:

Quote from: "ORS Report on RCS/HLA Prison Camp"
Based on record review, resident and staff interviews, the agency failed to provide for the needs,
care, protection, and supervision of the children in care;
Findings Include:
(1) During an interviews conducted on September 1, 2010 from 1:00 pm-3:30 pm with Residents
101, 102, 108, 109, 110, and 112 in which all residents acknowledged that they are aware of
residents engaging in sexually inappropriate behavior. It was reported that the residents would
sneak off in designated areas unbeknownst to staff.

(2) Record review on September 1, 2010 of Incident Report dated 06-06-10 for Resident #11
revealed Resident #11 along with 6 other females disclosed to staff an incident involving sexual
activity between Resident #11 and an older male resident. It was documented that Resident #11
appeared upset and stated that what occurred between herself (R11) and the male resident was
an unwelcome encounter.

I was speculating as to why DJ would make up a lie about any of the above kids being raped at RCS and I believe it is probably due the fact that he is still upset about being fired from HLA. If you can think of another reason he would lie I would be open to your input.



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Re: Ridge Creek School - Serious Safety Issues/ORS Violation
« Reply #309 on: December 20, 2010, 07:39:53 AM »
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It's actually very clear, RB. The report states she was the victim of "unwanted sexual activity" from and older male inmate. That happens to meet the dictionary definition of "rape."
See the link above.

I don't believe ORS is using the "wikipedia" definitions that Whooter provided, lol.

RB, you also have to keep in mind that Whooter is strongly motivated to change the defintion of rape. Earlier in this thread when he was talking about his time in isolation cells while he was in prison, he didn't give you all the details. He wasn't a threat to others and in need of solitary confinement. He was in what's called "protective custody" when he was in prison to protect him from other inmates because of the nature of his crimes. He has admitted this before.

Whooter went to prison because he was convicted of "sexual contact with a child" which he descirbed to the prosecutor as "flirting," but the court saw it differently and put him in prison for it. Each conversation we have here about rape involves Whooter trying to redefine the word because of his previous prison experience.

This is also why he accuses everyone here of "molesting their own kids" when he feels like he lost an argument. He has to live with the fact that this is exactly what he did and went to prison for, so he knows the shame and it causes when people know this about him, so he tries to put that same shame on others. It's called "projection."

If you can think of any other reasons he would lie about this girl's rape and the documentation about it, I'd be interested to hear. This is not an attack, either. It's just what Whooter has already admitted and I think it colors his opinions on the subject.

Of course I was never fired from HLA, RB. We know that. Many HLA employees have posted here before and not one sinle one ever accused me of that - they know better. HLA/RCS intentionally hires people with felony convictions because they consider it "life experience" and we already know from the reports they don't do background checks. There were at least three convicted felons working at HLA when I was there. It was pretty common. Looks like it's still their policy at RCS.

We have to go with the language of the report and the dictionary definition of that language.  See above for the reasons Whooter would want this definition changed.  

He thinks if "rape" were redefined as "flirting" then that would erase his conviction and prison sentence.  Unfortunately, arguing on a message board about dictionary definitions won't chnage Whooter's criminal past and sexual proclivities for  the little 'uns.  I was proud of Whooter when he confessed about this criminal past, but he still seems to think he was innocent.  Most people in prison insist they're innocent, too.  But that doesn't change Whooter's conviction or his protective custody in an isolation cell in the sex offender wing the prison.

If anyone can think of other reasons why Whooter would try to make up a new definition for "rape" I'm open to hearing it.
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« Reply #310 on: December 20, 2010, 08:31:11 AM »
Sometimes when there is a disagreement it is good to look at the original document.  Sexual activity can have many meanings including masturbation, sex, foreplay, flirting etc.  there was no specifics mentioned.

So I think we can all agree that the ORS report did not mention that a girl was raped.  If a girl had been raped they would have put it in the report, but they did not.  DJ just made this up, but why?

 As far as the report goes here is a clip:

Quote from: "ORS Report on RCS/HLA Prison Camp"
Based on record review, resident and staff interviews, the agency failed to provide for the needs,
care, protection, and supervision of the children in care;
Findings Include:
(1) During an interviews conducted on September 1, 2010 from 1:00 pm-3:30 pm with Residents
101, 102, 108, 109, 110, and 112 in which all residents acknowledged that they are aware of
residents engaging in sexually inappropriate behavior. It was reported that the residents would
sneak off in designated areas unbeknownst to staff.

(2) Record review on September 1, 2010 of Incident Report dated 06-06-10 for Resident #11
revealed Resident #11 along with 6 other females disclosed to staff an incident involving sexual
activity between Resident #11 and an older male resident. It was documented that Resident #11
appeared upset and stated that what occurred between herself (R11) and the male resident was
an unwelcome encounter.

I was speculating as to why DJ would make up a lie about any of the above kids being raped at RCS and I believe it is probably due the fact that he is still upset about being fired from HLA. If you can think of another reason he would lie I would be open to your input.



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Re: Ridge Creek School - Serious Safety Issues/ORS Violation
« Reply #311 on: December 20, 2010, 08:42:13 AM »
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It's actually very clear, RB. The report states she was the victim of "unwanted sexual activity" from and older male inmate. That happens to meet the dictionary definition of "rape."
See the link above.

I don't believe ORS is using the "wikipedia" definitions that Whooter provided, lol.

RB, you also have to keep in mind that Whooter is strongly motivated to change the defintion of rape. Earlier in this thread when he was talking about his time in isolation cells while he was in prison, he didn't give you all the details. He wasn't a threat to others and in need of solitary confinement. He was in what's called "protective custody" when he was in prison to protect him from other inmates because of the nature of his crimes. He has admitted this before.

Whooter went to prison because he was convicted of "sexual contact with a child" which he descirbed to the prosecutor as "flirting," but the court saw it differently and put him in prison for it. Each conversation we have here about rape involves Whooter trying to redefine the word because of his previous prison experience.

This is also why he accuses everyone here of "molesting their own kids" when he feels like he lost an argument. He has to live with the fact that this is exactly what he did and went to prison for, so he knows the shame and it causes when people know this about him, so he tries to put that same shame on others. It's called "projection."

If you can think of any other reasons he would lie about this girl's rape and the documentation about it, I'd be interested to hear. This is not an attack, either. It's just what Whooter has already admitted and I think it colors his opinions on the subject.

Of course I was never fired from HLA, RB. We know that. Many HLA employees have posted here before and not one sinle one ever accused me of that - they know better. HLA/RCS intentionally hires people with felony convictions because they consider it "life experience" and we already know from the reports they don't do background checks. There were at least three convicted felons working at HLA when I was there. It was pretty common. Looks like it's still their policy at RCS.

We have to go with the language of the report and the dictionary definition of that language.  See above for the reasons Whooter would want this definition changed.  

He thinks if "rape" were redefined as "flirting" then that would erase his conviction and prison sentence.  Unfortunately, arguing on a message board about dictionary definitions won't change Whooter's criminal past and sexual proclivities for  the little 'uns.  I was proud of Whooter when he confessed about this criminal past, but he still seems to think he was innocent.  Most people in prison insist they're innocent, too.  But that doesn't change Whooter's conviction or his protective custody in an isolation cell in the sex offender wing the prison.

If anyone can think of other reasons why Whooter would try to make up a new definition for "rape" I'm open to hearing it.

For some reason I don't think the DHS investigators are using the "wikipedia" definitions of "sexual activity."  It's specific language with a specific meaning - "sexual intercourse" - according to the dictionary.

Then we have Whooter's troubled past to consider when we evaluate why he is trying to cover up a rape.  Who would benefit from rapes of children going unreported or redefining the word "rape"?  Well, rapists, I guess.  Considering Whooter's admittied conviction and isolation in the sex offender wing of a prison, I think we can all agree about his personal investment in having "rape" redefined as "flirting" or "masturbation."  

No offense, Whooter, but your criminal past weighs heavy in your perception of sex crimes.  Like when you say it can't be rape if there was no violence, a gun, a knife, etc.  Just because your crimes were committed against kids and you didn't need to get violent to get what you wanted doesn't mean it's not rape in the eyes of the law.  I mean, you spent time in prison for it, so I think we all know that.  See what I mean?
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Re: Ridge Creek School - Serious Safety Issues/ORS Violation
« Reply #312 on: December 20, 2010, 08:48:39 AM »
Sometimes when there is a disagreement it is good to look at the original document.  Sexual activity can have many meanings including masturbation, sex, foreplay, flirting etc.  there was no specifics mentioned.

So I think we can all agree that the ORS report did not mention that a girl was raped.  If a girl had been raped they would have put it in the report, but they did not.  DJ just made this up, but why?

 As far as the report goes here is a clip:

Quote from: "ORS Report on RCS/HLA Prison Camp"
Based on record review, resident and staff interviews, the agency failed to provide for the needs,
care, protection, and supervision of the children in care;
Findings Include:
(1) During an interviews conducted on September 1, 2010 from 1:00 pm-3:30 pm with Residents
101, 102, 108, 109, 110, and 112 in which all residents acknowledged that they are aware of
residents engaging in sexually inappropriate behavior. It was reported that the residents would
sneak off in designated areas unbeknownst to staff.

(2) Record review on September 1, 2010 of Incident Report dated 06-06-10 for Resident #11
revealed Resident #11 along with 6 other females disclosed to staff an incident involving sexual
activity between Resident #11 and an older male resident. It was documented that Resident #11
appeared upset and stated that what occurred between herself (R11) and the male resident was
an unwelcome encounter.

I was speculating as to why DJ would make up a lie about any of the above kids being raped at RCS and I believe it is probably due the fact that he is still upset about being fired from HLA for selling drugs to kids. If you can think of another reason he would lie I would be open to your input.



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Re: Ridge Creek School - Serious Safety Issues/ORS Violation
« Reply #313 on: December 20, 2010, 08:53:01 AM »
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Resident #11 along with 6 other females disclosed to staff an incident involving sexual
activity between Resident #11 and an older male resident. It was documented that Resident #11
appeared upset and stated that what occurred between herself (R11) and the male resident was
an unwelcome encounter.


I know Whooter would just refer to "unwelcome sexual activity" as "loving my daughter" or "flirting" but most people don't think that way.

No offense, Whooter, but your criminal past weighs heavy in your perception of sex crimes. Like when you say it can't be rape if there was no violence, a gun, a knife, etc. Just because your crimes were committed against kids and you didn't need to get violent to get what you wanted doesn't mean it's not rape in the eyes of the law. I mean, you spent time in prison for it, so I think we all know that. See what I mean?

The dictionary defines "sexual activity" as simply "sexual intercourse" so the girl's unwanted sexual activity with the older male inmate was rape.
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« Reply #314 on: December 20, 2010, 08:58:12 AM »
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Resident #11 along with 6 other females disclosed to staff an incident involving sexual
activity between Resident #11 and an older male resident. It was documented that Resident #11
appeared upset and stated that what occurred between herself (R11) and the male resident was
an unwelcome encounter.


I know Whooter would just refer to "unwelcome sexual activity" as "loving my daughter" or "flirting" but most people don't think that way.

No offense, Whooter, but your criminal past weighs heavy in your perception of sex crimes. Like when you say it can't be rape if there was no violence, a gun, a knife, etc. Just because your crimes were committed against kids and you didn't need to get violent to get what you wanted doesn't mean it's not rape in the eyes of the law. I mean, you spent time in prison for it, so I think we all know that. See what I mean?

The dictionary defines "sexual activity" as simply "sexual intercourse" so the girl's unwanted sexual activity with the older male inmate was rape.

Sorry you are so upset with this DJ.  But the State of Georgia disagrees with you and I have to go with the offical report.  If you want to reword it and add the word "rape" to the report then that is okay, but you should let the ORS know.  lol



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