Ridge Creek "School" - Serious Safety Issues/ORS Violation

[Whooter]

Whooter, you really should educate yourself about what sexual assault is.  It isn't "flirting," bro.

ahem...no one mentioned "Sexual assault" in the report and the report never mentioned rape either.  You lied about that to the readers once again and I had to clear that up for you.  We can agree that no rape was mentioned, no sexual assault was mentioned.  You just made that up because you have an agenda against the school because they fired you for selling drugs, lets be honest.



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[RobertBruce]

Whooter I wonder if it's at all possible for you to simply debate someone, without resorting to attempts at personal attacks or lying about the other person.

That being said, do you happen to know for a fact what the incident was in question that the report refers to?

[RobertBruce]

:roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:


Are you serious John??? You're actually trying to use your own comments as evidence for a lie about someone else? Your argument now is "because I said so" And then you expect people to believe it???

 :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:

Let me ask you something John, when you graduated high school did they hand out a superlative for "Most likely to remain an arrogant pompus douche bag for the rest of his life" award? If so I have a strong feeling you've still got that trophy somewhere.

 :roflmao:

[Whooter]

So I think we can all agree that the ORS report did not mention that a girl was raped.  If a girl had been raped they would have put it in the report, but they did not.  DJ just made this up, but why?

 As far as the report goes here is a clip:

Based on record review, resident and staff interviews, the agency failed to provide for the needs,
care, protection, and supervision of the children in care;
Findings Include:
(1) During an interviews conducted on September 1, 2010 from 1:00 pm-3:30 pm with Residents
101, 102, 108, 109, 110, and 112 in which all residents acknowledged that they are aware of
residents engaging in sexually inappropriate behavior. It was reported that the residents would
sneak off in designated areas unbeknownst to staff.
(2) Record review on September 1, 2010 of Incident Report dated 06-06-10 for Resident #11
revealed Resident #11 along with 6 other females disclosed to staff an incident involving sexual
activity between Resident #11 and an older male resident. It was documented that Resident #11
appeared upset and stated that what occurred between herself (R11) and the male resident was
an unwelcome encounter.

I was speculating as to why DJ would make up a lie about any of the above kids being raped at RCS and I believe it is probably due the fact that he is still upset about being fired from HLA. If you can think of another reason he would lie I would be open to your input.



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[RobertBruce]

Your lies about DJ being fired or claims of a criminal past are an attempt at an attack. You just aren't very good at it, because everyone knows you only do that when you've been shamed by someone, as it happens so often.

Now then my question to you stands, do you know what incident reported refers to? Specifically.

[Whooter]

Your lies about DJ being fired or claims of a criminal past are an attempt at an attack. You just aren't very good at it, because everyone knows you only do that when you've been shamed by someone, as it happens so often.

You should ask DJ if he thinks they are attacks or not.  I dont think he has a problem with informing the readers about the specifics of a person who is posting and does not view them as attacks.  DJ and I have discussed the definition of attacks earlier.

Now then my question to you stands, do you know what incident reported refers to? Specifically.

I only know what we all know Bruce and that is what the report says.



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[RobertBruce]

You should ask DJ if he thinks they are attacks or not. I dont think he has a problem with informing the readers about the specifics of a person who is posting and does not view them as attacks. DJ and I have discussed the definition of attacks earlier.

Yet your specifics are not true. So what does that make them?

I only know what we all know Bruce and that is what the report says.

Correct. So perhaps it would be more prudent for you to simply say you  don't know what happened, rather than assuming that you do and dismissing it out of hand.

[Whooter]

Yet your specifics are not true. So what does that make them?

Link?

Correct. So perhaps it would be more prudent for you to simply say you  don't know what happened, rather than assuming that you do and dismissing it out of hand.

Read the report and then ask yourself why DJ lied when he states that the girl was raped.  We are all reading the same information.  I am just saying that for DJ to say that she was raped has its motives in trying to make the school look bad.  The only known motive for this, in my opinion, would be because he is a disgruntled ex-employee. Why else would he lie?  Can you state another motive?



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[RobertBruce]

Link?

To your lies? Sure.

Whooter wrote:
You just made that up because you have an agenda against the school because they fired you for selling drugs, lets be honest.

I believe it is probably due the fact that he is still upset about being fired from HLA.

http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=41&t=30956&start=285

I'll look forward to you backing up your lies concerning DJ.

Read the report and then ask yourself why DJ lied when he states that the girl was raped. We are all reading the same information. I am just saying that for DJ to say that she was raped has its motives in trying to make the school look bad. The only known motive for this, in my opinion, would be because he is a disgruntled ex-employee. Why else would he lie? Can you state another motive?

You say this as if you don't have motives to make the program look good. All we know is that something occured that was serious enough for the ORS agent to feel it warranted being written up in the report. Whether that was rape or not we don't know, but it's probably safe to say that it wasn't flirting. Why would that be written up? As for DJ's motives the term 'disgruntled' is thrown around by your kiddie abusing friends as often as they use the term 'Oppositional Defiance Disorder'. It gets used so often it loses all meaning. All it really translates to from them now is someone who was has first hand experience (not you)) with these places, and then chooses to tell the truth about how abusive they are. Since you have no real information that might suggest why you think DJ might be disgruntled then his motivations might be just like the rest of (aside from you) we want the truth about these places to come to light.

[Dysfunction Junction]

Whooter I wonder if it's at all possible for you to simply debate someone, without resorting to attempts at personal attacks or lying about the other person.

That being said, do you happen to know for a fact what the incident was in question that the report refers to?

If I attacked anyone, I apologize, I didnt see any attacks in the last several posts.  As far as the report goes here is a clip:

Based on record review, resident and staff interviews, the agency failed to provide for the needs,
care, protection, and supervision of the children in care;
Findings Include:
(1) During an interviews conducted on September 1, 2010 from 1:00 pm-3:30 pm with Residents
101, 102, 108, 109, 110, and 112 in which all residents acknowledged that they are aware of
residents engaging in sexually inappropriate behavior. It was reported that the residents would
sneak off in designated areas unbeknownst to staff.
(2) Record review on September 1, 2010 of Incident Report dated 06-06-10 for Resident #11
revealed Resident #11 along with 6 other females disclosed to staff an incident involving sexual
activity between Resident #11 and an older male resident. It was documented that Resident #11
appeared upset and stated that what occurred between herself (R11) and the male resident was
an unwelcome encounter.

I was speculating as to why DJ would make up a lie about any of the above kids being raped at RCS and I believe it is probably due the fact that he is still upset about being fired from HLA. If you can think of another reason he would lie I would be open to your input.



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Here's the definition of "sexual activity":

Noun 1. sexual activity - activities associated with sexual intercourse; "they had sex in the back seat"

definition

So, now we see "sexual activity" by defintion means "sexual intercourse."  We also see from the report that this sexual intercourse was "unwelcome," i.e. the girl was raped. "Unwelcome sexual intercourse," Whooter.  Read it carefully and try to understand what it means.  It's the definition of "rape."

Like I said, Whooter, educate yourself before you take extreme positions like this and expose yourself not only as an extremist, but also a liar.  Not good.

[Whooter]

It is possible that they had sex, but we dont know.  The ORS report did not say that a rape occurred  There are so many other possibilities.

Human sexual activities or human sexual practices or human sexual behavior refers to the manner in which humans experience and express their sexuality. People engage in a variety of sexual acts from time to time, and for a wide variety of reasons. Sexual activity normally results in sexual arousal and physiological changes in the aroused person, some of which are pronounced while others are more subtle. The objective of sexual activity in humans is typically to achieve orgasm. Sexual activity also includes conduct and activities which are intended to arouse the sexual interest of another, such as strategies to find or attract partners (mating and display behavior), and personal interactions between individuals, such as flirting and foreplay.

Link

So to come out and say the girl was raped is a lie because the facts are not there to support that conclusion as reported by the ORS report.  I think you are a little biased and are jumping to conclusions, DJ, in an effort to try and make the school look bad because of your past experiences and employment history.



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[RobertBruce]

So to come out and say the girl was raped is a lie because the facts are not there to support that conclusion as reported by the ORS report. I think you are a little biased and are jumping to conclusions, DJ, in an effort to try and make the school look bad because of your past experiences and employment history.

So to come out and say the girl was flirting is a lie because the facts are not there to support that conclusion as reported by the ORS report. I think you are a little biased and are jumping to conclusions, John, in an effrot to try and make the school look good because of your fiduciary interest.

[Dysfunction Junction]

Whooter I wonder if it's at all possible for you to simply debate someone, without resorting to attempts at personal attacks or lying about the other person.

That being said, do you happen to know for a fact what the incident was in question that the report refers to?

If I attacked anyone, I apologize, I didnt see any attacks in the last several posts.  As far as the report goes here is a clip:

Based on record review, resident and staff interviews, the agency failed to provide for the needs,
care, protection, and supervision of the children in care;
Findings Include:
(1) During an interviews conducted on September 1, 2010 from 1:00 pm-3:30 pm with Residents
101, 102, 108, 109, 110, and 112 in which all residents acknowledged that they are aware of
residents engaging in sexually inappropriate behavior. It was reported that the residents would
sneak off in designated areas unbeknownst to staff.
(2) Record review on September 1, 2010 of Incident Report dated 06-06-10 for Resident #11
revealed Resident #11 along with 6 other females disclosed to staff an incident involving sexual
activity between Resident #11 and an older male resident. It was documented that Resident #11
appeared upset and stated that what occurred between herself (R11) and the male resident was
an unwelcome encounter.

I was speculating as to why DJ would make up a lie about any of the above kids being raped at RCS and I believe it is probably due the fact that he is still upset about being fired from HLA. If you can think of another reason he would lie I would be open to your input.



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Here's the definition of "sexual activity":

Noun 1. sexual activity - activities associated with sexual intercourse; "they had sex in the back seat"

definition

So, now we see "sexual activity" by defintion means "sexual intercourse."  We also see from the report that this sexual intercourse was "unwelcome," i.e. the girl was raped. "Unwelcome sexual intercourse," Whooter.  Read it carefully and try to understand what it means.  It's the definition of "rape."

Like I said, Whooter, educate yourself before you take extreme positions like this and expose yourself not only as an extremist, but also a liar.  Not good.

Lol, Whooter.  I guess The Dictionary also used to work at HLA and was fired and because it's disgruntled now it changed its definition of "sexual activity" to support its agenda.

I'll go with The Dictionary on this one, Whooter.

[Whooter]

So to come out and say the girl was raped is a lie because the facts are not there to support that conclusion as reported by the ORS report. I think you are a little biased and are jumping to conclusions, DJ, in an effort to try and make the school look bad because of your past experiences and employment history.

So to come out and say the girl was flirting is a lie because the facts are not there to support that conclusion as reported by the ORS report. I think you are a little biased and are jumping to conclusions, John, in an effrot to try and make the school look good because of your fiduciary interest.

I never drew a conclusion, Bruce.  What we all need to do is look at the report, as written, and not try to draw conclusions that are not supported by facts.  Sometimes I see yourself and DJ draw some outratious conclusions based on very little information like this report from ORS.

Saying that the girl was raped is a lie and is obviously driven by the fact that DJ was fired from HLA when they found he had a felony conviction for selling drugs to kids.  He admitted this himself and this is not intended to be an attack of any type.  I just think the readers need to be informed.


If I came out and said the girl was only flirting then this would be a lie also, but I never said that.

Here is what DJ said:

"This girl was raped by a male inmate due to lack of supervision".

Link



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[RobertBruce]

I never drew a conclusion, Bruce. What we all need to do is look at the report, as written, and not try to draw conclusions that are not supported by facts.

Like suggesting the girl was flirting. All that time wasted just because you still don't know how to use a dictionary.

I see yourself and DJ draw some outratious conclusions based on very little information like this report from ORS.

Please link to the concluscions you believe I made regarding this ORS report.

Saying that the girl was raped is a lie and is obviously driven by the fact that DJ was fired from HLA when they found he had a felony conviction for selling drugs to kids. He admitted this himself and this is not intended to be an attack of any type. I just think the readers need to be informed

He admitted he was fired from HLA? By all means provide the link showing proof of this John, otherwise it's just another one of your lies.

If I came out and said the girl was only flirting then this would be a lie also, but I never said that.

Here you are

Unwanted sexual act could be flirting exposing himself etc.

Again, because you don't understand how to use a dictionary you attempted to down play the incident and pretend RC was a safe environment by speculating that the incident in question was merely flirting.