Cataloging TheWho/John Reuben's Lies

[Whooter]

Thank you, DJ, I will take that as an admission that the study is valid and received oversight from a third party review board.

I think what you needed was a little time to read it and it would eventually sink in and you would come around to face the facts.

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Edited for duplicate post.

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See below, underlined:

No, but it would be convenient for you if that were true.  I think most people just see this as a way for you to deflect from the facts you can't avoid.  The study has been thoroughly discussed and there's not much more to say about it.

However...  You have made some claims here that lead only to three possible conclusions from reasonable people:

1.  You are an employee of a program or the parent organization for it, namely Aspen Education
2.  You are an unmitigated liar and complete phony
3.  Both 1 and 2

Either way...

I believe it is actually you that gets "upset" and "angry" about these facts because you have a financial stake in Aspen Education (remember, you claimed to be a fiduciary of same) and when I or others point out that everything you say here traces back to your business interests you become less credible (at this point you are totally incredible).

Most readers here are reasonable and they can easily connect the dots.  Your trying to avoid their conclusions via attacking other posters, derailing, obfuscating or otherwise dissembling is just a symptom of who you are and where you make your money.  When you feel someone is trying to break your rice bowl by legitimately pointing out proven facts about Aspen Education or the TTI in general you quite literally become unhinged and fly off the handle.  People notice this.  People also notice your obsession to reply to any criticism, no matter how minor, and take note that your idea of winning an argument is simply to have the last word, even through repetitive spamming day and night.

Add all this up and what the average person reading here is impressed with is that you are the most desperate, unsophisticated and low-brow of shills.

Don't shoot the messenger because you shot yourself in the foot.  Maybe you should change usernames again to try to start fresh.  This persona is cooked.

Alternatively, click here.

[Whooter]

lol, you are so predictable.  Everytime you lose an argument you start taking pot shots at the person and calling them names or trying to discredit them.  You are like a little kid.

DJ: Oh No!  Whooter is a liar and has fiduciary interests and meetings with the TTI.  He cant be just a parent because he just out smarted me in a debate once again.  He must be an employee of Aspen Education.

Thank you, DJ, I will take that as an admission that the study is valid and received oversight from a third party review board.

I think what you needed was a little time to read it and it would eventually sink in and you would come around to face the facts.

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I definitely didn't lose any arguments to you, unless, like I said, you consider spam trolling "winning."  But whatever.  You can try to change the subject but it won't go away.  You wasted five years of your life here only to have no credibility or effect.

See below, underlined:

No, but it would be convenient for you if that were true.  I think most people just see this as a way for you to deflect from the facts you can't avoid.  The study has been thoroughly discussed and there's not much more to say about it.

However...  You have made some claims here that lead only to three possible conclusions from reasonable people:

1.  You are an employee of a program or the parent organization for it, namely Aspen Education
2.  You are an unmitigated liar and complete phony
3.  Both 1 and 2

Either way...

I believe it is actually you that gets "upset" and "angry" about these facts because you have a financial stake in Aspen Education (remember, you claimed to be a fiduciary of same) and when I or others point out that everything you say here traces back to your business interests you become less credible (at this point you are totally incredible).

Most readers here are reasonable and they can easily connect the dots.  Your trying to avoid their conclusions via attacking other posters, derailing, obfuscating or otherwise dissembling is just a symptom of who you are and where you make your money.  When you feel someone is trying to break your rice bowl by legitimately pointing out proven facts about Aspen Education or the TTI in general you quite literally become unhinged and fly off the handle.  People notice this.  People also notice your obsession to reply to any criticism, no matter how minor, and take note that your idea of winning an argument is simply to have the last word, even through repetitive spamming day and night.

Add all this up and what the average person reading here is impressed with is that you are the most desperate, unsophisticated and low-brow of shills.

Don't shoot the messenger because you shot yourself in the foot.  Maybe you should change usernames again to try to start fresh.  This persona is cooked.

Alternatively, click here.

You can take it how you want to, but others take it like above.  It's all in your own owrds, son.  Don't get mad at me for quoting the things you wish you never said...

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"Fiduciary interest in Aspen Education"

"Chaired TTI meetings about 'where the real money is, the TBS industry'"

"Saw 'the screening process firsthand' and 'kids being rejected'"

"Had access to RobertBruce's 'treatment records from HLA'"

"Formed 'statistical group to assess the safety of TBSs'"

"Children are products, parents are customers"

Sorry, Whooter, but all of this does add up.  Maybe one bit here or there is an anomaly, but these facts plus many too more to list accompanied by your dogged defense of abusive Aspen programs and five years' worth of posting under several usernames to either promote abusive programs or degrade anyone who speaks out against them...?   It just doesn't fit your "just a regular parent" line.  No "regular parent" would behave like you do.

Whooter is a TTI industry man and Fornits troll.  Everyone should keep this in mind when reading his drivel.

Yep, it's still there ; )

[Whooter]

lol, you are so predictable.  Everytime you lose an argument you start taking pot shots at the person and calling them names or trying to discredit them.  You are like a little kid.

DJ: Oh No!  Whooter is a liar and has fiduciary interests and meetings with the TTI.  He cant be just a parent because he just out smarted me in a debate once again.  He must be an employee of Aspen Education.

Thank you, DJ, I will take that as an admission that the study is valid and received oversight from a third party review board.

I think what you needed was a little time to read it and it would eventually sink in and you would come around to face the facts.

Residential Treatment Outcome-Study



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[Whooter]

Whootie is a dam thorn in my side.  He never lets me win an argument with his constant posting and never ending logic so the only thing I can do is try to discredit him.  We all know he has meetings in Chicago with Industry people to discuss  where the money is and sits in on the admissions process and admits openly that he has a fiduciary duty to them.  He was responsible for killing one of his own sons.  How many people do this and then claim to be normal parents?

Calm down, DJ, its not the end of the world.  You yourself quoted the study many times and found some information which was not so favorable to the industry so don’t take it so hard.  The industry isn’t perfect which supports your claim, they are only 80% effective which means 20% of the kids don’t do well.  So keep your head up.

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Whootie is a dam thorn in my side.  He never lets me win an argument with his constant posting and never ending logic so the only thing I can do is try to discredit him.  We all know he has meetings in Chicago with Industry people to discuss  where the money is and sits in on the admissions process and admits openly that he has a fiduciary duty to them.  He was responsible for killing one of his own sons.  How many people do this and then claim to be normal parents?

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I'm like a "little kid"?  Lols.  How about a link to the above then?  See, Whooter, this is what you do.  You've been called out for what you have posted while logged in with your username and you try to counter that by making up "quotes" by others.

Although I agree with the spirit of what you made up above (only about your TTI connections, not the rest), I didn't say it.  You, OTOH, did say all the things I posted and I provided links to them many times before.  Here, take a look:

When is this supposed to take place?

Well the  announcement takes place after the lawyers sign off on the deal, but they usually wait until the transfer is ready to take place.
The legal transfer typically takes place at the beginning of the new quarter (or fiscal year).
So based on this I would expect the announcement would come at anytime and the transfer could occur on Tuesday October 1, 2007 or early January 2008.



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How is it that you are in a position to have knowledge about the acquisition of HLA?

I apologize for being vague, I have a fiduciary duty which prevents me from speaking in any specific terms in this area and can only comment on information which is first made public by either party involved,  this could be misconstrued as “Tippingâ€

Link to Whooter's OP about his "fiduciary duty".

And all you can do in response is troll me with phony "quotes" and no links to the OP's.  You only prove my point each time you do this.  You're a phony!  :rofl:  :roflmao:

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Oh no no no Cindy, you claimed there was a "long debate" and that it was decided that "we" were only going to look at TBS's as you define them.

Who specifically is "we"?

The debate was long, Bob...  many wanted to start with "Wilderness data" and I argued that the real money was in the TBS industry, so lets start there, although wilderness is usually the inital phase of any decent TBS.  So we went round and round....you, Bob have been a key player in collecting and presenting data on the entire industry and I have been focusing on small segments at a time.
I dont want to put names out there, people want to be anon's.

Is this "where the real money is" Whooter?  Link  What a phony!

I could go on...

[Whooter]

Whootie is a dam thorn in my side.  He never lets me win an argument with his constant posting and never ending logic so the only thing I can do is try to discredit him.  We all know he has meetings in Chicago with Industry people to discuss  where the money is and sits in on the admissions process and admits openly that he has a fiduciary duty to them.  He was responsible for killing one of his own sons.  How many people do this and then claim to be normal parents?

Calm down, DJ, its not the end of the world.  You yourself quoted the study many times and found some information which was not so favorable to the industry so don’t take it so hard.  The industry isn’t perfect which supports your claim, they are only 80% effective which means 20% of the kids don’t do well.  So keep your head up.

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[Whooter]

How was I suppose to figure out that Wilderness programs run an average of 2 weeks and cost $6,000 and TBS’s run an average of 12 – 16 months and cost 70,000 – to -$100,000.  If I knew that,  then yeah I could agree that the TBS was "where the real money is".

I thought you said you had a Masters in Business Administration? MBA

Screw you whootie, I have more degrees than you do.  Your an industry shill.  I could have figured out the math too because yes I did get my MBA, its just that my calculator on my laptop is not functioning.

Look, DJ, calm down.  You are the one claiming that I must have all this inside knowledge because I can figure out that TBS's cost more than Wilderness therapy.  I just did the math for you thats all.  If you feel only industry people have that type of knowledge than that is your right to think that way.  I just think your wrong thats all.  Any person claiming to have an MBA should be able to figure where the real money is between TBS and Wilderness.

Just stating my opinion, thats all.



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Ooohhhhweeee....  Watch Whooter implode.  For someone who likes to say "provide a link or it never happened!" and claim everything people catch you on is "fabricated" you're getting pretty loose.  I sense big time BAWWW :cry: .  

Just for the record, I supplied links for all of my quotes about Whooter and he provided none.  What's even funnier is that Whooter's made up quotes have all the little grammar and spelling errors he makes all the time, too.  It's like you're not even trying anymore, troll boy.

Your an industry shill.

You know I don't roll like that with the homonyms, Whooter.  See what happens when you try to pose as an educated person?

Exactly, the customer is the parent, the product is the child.

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Can't escape this past of yours, Whooter.  No matter how many quotes you fabricate.

You can pretend to have called anyone you want. But I placed the facts up here with links and you have nothing to dispute it except a fabricated phone call.

:waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa: link
Where are those links now I wonder?

Based on the fabricatedPM's he was caught presenting I think it is important to ask for proof.

:waaaa:  :waaaa: Link
Dang, Whooter, everybody here is "fabricating" everything, huh?  Looks like you're the only one caught doing it though. :rofl:  :roflmao:

Sixteen instances of Whooter charging "fabrication" and that's just in the past couple of months!  Can you say "projection," Whooter? :beat:  :agree:

Let's not forget this PM you sent me either:

You are so naive to think you could convince everyone I wrote that email (you fabricated) but you fucked up big time...I am just a login name on the internet. I am your worst nightmare and you cant get rid of me no matter how hard you try (or lie).

Oooohhhh...Whooter MAD :flame:

See what I mean, dum dum?  You gave everyone all this ammunition and now you're going to cry and lie just because someone unloaded the mag on you?

Show me the LINKS, crybaby! :cry:  :cry:  :cry:   Where's the PROOF?  

Epic lulz ensued...

[Whooter]

lol, DJ, every time you get pinched you start taking pot shots at people and jumping up and down claiming you are more degrees then they do.  I merely pointed out that you probably didnt have an MBA because you never knew that TBS cost over ten times more than a Wilderness program.  This is basic math that you can do in your head and you replied with:

Screw you whootie, I have more degrees than you do. Your an industry shill. I could have figured out the math too because yes I did get my MBA, its just that my calculator on my laptop is not functioning.

Whoops! we have a link to where you stated that:

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Funny, that looks like a link to the last time you posted that fabrication.  Where's the original post, Whooter?  Credibility?  ZERO.  Time to make a new username to try to shed your shabby past...